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Yep, I am blind for disagreeing with Bud when he says Christians are slaves to sin.
Jesus: "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.” (John 8:34)
"Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him." (1 John 3:6)
"Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1 John 3:9)
Do you commit sin? Do you "practice" sin since you sin daily?
Your FLESH is a slave to sin and cannot change.
"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." (Romans 8:7)
What is sin? Transgression of the Law. Every time you commit a sin, you are guilty in the flesh of breaking every single one of God's Laws. (James 2:10)
Are we New Creatures? Yes. Are we to walk in the newness of that life? Yes. Are we to live a life pleasing to the Lord? Yes. But because we still have the "Old Man" we will continue to sin until the die we die and there is no stopping it.
"I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man (New Nature): But I see another law in my members, (Old Nature) warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members" (Romans 7:21-22)
Your flesh is a captive (slave) to sin. Deny it all you want, but if that were not true, you would be able one day to stop sinning entirely.
But you won't. because you can't.
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Your flesh is a captive (slave) to sin. Deny it all you want, but if that were not true, you would be able one day to stop sinning entirely.
But you won't. because you can't.
John answers this with a simple phrase
6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
1 John 3
8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction;
the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest
if we do not give up.
Galatians 6
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in
you is greater than the one who is in the world.
5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and
the world listens to them.
6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from
God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood
1 John 4
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom,
and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.
17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks
to God the Father through him.
Colossians 3
Unbelievers who do not know Jesus and the cross will always doubt His power.
But you won't. because you can't.
John answers this with a simple phrase
6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
1 John 3
8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction;
the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest
if we do not give up.
Galatians 6
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in
you is greater than the one who is in the world.
5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and
the world listens to them.
6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from
God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood
1 John 4
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom,
and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.
17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks
to God the Father through him.
Colossians 3
Unbelievers who do not know Jesus and the cross will always doubt His power.
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How's my grace doing, um our grace, well anyway, doctrinally, I would like to understand positional sanctification, from the most basic understanding, and step by step toward deeper understanding, onto the true milk and the cornerstone of thy foundation
I highly suspect that the majority of confusion revolve around "positional sanctification" and this topic justifies a thread, and I hope that on that thread everyone can express there opinion with civility, wisdom, balanced demeanour, love, respect and with Grace.
In loving grace,
Anointed
I highly suspect that the majority of confusion revolve around "positional sanctification" and this topic justifies a thread, and I hope that on that thread everyone can express there opinion with civility, wisdom, balanced demeanour, love, respect and with Grace.
In loving grace,
Anointed
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Excellent proposition!!
“By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all” (Hebrews 10:10, NASB 1995).
Sanctified ...means set apart
Justified - placed securely in Christ
Sanctified - set apart in Christ
Our life is now hidden in Christ. (Col 3:3)
We are partakers of His divine nature, a precious gift (2Peter 1:4)
Sanctification is not a process of becoming holy (set apart). Only Jesus is holy.
Sanctification is a process of discovering and uncovering His holiness already accomplished and given to us in union with Christ Jesus.
“By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all” (Hebrews 10:10, NASB 1995).
Sanctified ...means set apart
Justified - placed securely in Christ
Sanctified - set apart in Christ
Our life is now hidden in Christ. (Col 3:3)
We are partakers of His divine nature, a precious gift (2Peter 1:4)
Sanctification is not a process of becoming holy (set apart). Only Jesus is holy.
Sanctification is a process of discovering and uncovering His holiness already accomplished and given to us in union with Christ Jesus.
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As well.....
I believe that sanctification is an event first where we are separated unto Christ (our position) and made holy once and for all, and then it’s a process where we learn to live out of that position of holiness.
The process does not sanctify us, it teaches us how to live a sanctified life.
I believe that sanctification is an event first where we are separated unto Christ (our position) and made holy once and for all, and then it’s a process where we learn to live out of that position of holiness.
The process does not sanctify us, it teaches us how to live a sanctified life.
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As well.....
I believe that sanctification is an event first where we are separated unto Christ (our position) and made holy once and for all, and then it’s a process where we learn to live out of that position of holiness.
The process does not sanctify us, it teaches us how to live a sanctified life.
I believe that sanctification is an event first where we are separated unto Christ (our position) and made holy once and for all, and then it’s a process where we learn to live out of that position of holiness.
The process does not sanctify us, it teaches us how to live a sanctified life.
And to be thankful for salvation, not just for assurance (or assurance apologetics = the only apologetics I care about) but there is a lot to learn about the day of salvation, as I also start to believe that, the testimony is underutilized
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Excellent proposition!!
“By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all” (Hebrews 10:10, NASB 1995).
Sanctified ...means set apart
Justified - placed securely in Christ
Sanctified - set apart in Christ
Our life is now hidden in Christ. (Col 3:3)
We are partakers of His divine nature, a precious gift (2Peter 1:4)
Sanctification is not a process of becoming holy (set apart). Only Jesus is holy.
Sanctification is a process of discovering and uncovering His holiness already accomplished and given to us in union with Christ Jesus.
“By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all” (Hebrews 10:10, NASB 1995).
Sanctified ...means set apart
Justified - placed securely in Christ
Sanctified - set apart in Christ
Our life is now hidden in Christ. (Col 3:3)
We are partakers of His divine nature, a precious gift (2Peter 1:4)
Sanctification is not a process of becoming holy (set apart). Only Jesus is holy.
Sanctification is a process of discovering and uncovering His holiness already accomplished and given to us in union with Christ Jesus.
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The process does not sanctify us, it teaches us how to live a sanctified life.
The process does not sanctify us, it teaches us how to live a sanctified life.
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I think you are mixing up two distinct things (that are not related). Some mistake the phrase "the body of this death" in Romans 7:24 to be [incorrectly] meaning "our physical bodies" (it's not referring to that).
Then they take this and try to say that "sin" (sins we commit [etc], according to them) has its source in our "[physical] bodies," where "habits" were formed from our pre-salvation days [J.MacArthur, etc]... and they say this because they [incorrectly] believe that the saint/believer/Christian/member of His body has one nature (i.e. "one naturism").
This is to not grasp what Paul is saying here... and I believe has little to do with gnosticism (a different issue, as I see it).
[and to not grasp Paul's distinction between "sinS" (Romans 1 thru 5:11) and "Sin" (Romans 5:12- chpt 8 end), in Romans]
Then they take this and try to say that "sin" (sins we commit [etc], according to them) has its source in our "[physical] bodies," where "habits" were formed from our pre-salvation days [J.MacArthur, etc]... and they say this because they [incorrectly] believe that the saint/believer/Christian/member of His body has one nature (i.e. "one naturism").
This is to not grasp what Paul is saying here... and I believe has little to do with gnosticism (a different issue, as I see it).
[and to not grasp Paul's distinction between "sinS" (Romans 1 thru 5:11) and "Sin" (Romans 5:12- chpt 8 end), in Romans]
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