Not By Works

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VCO

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Is watching works?

Please clarify

No, here is where it comes from in the BIBLE:

Matthew 25:13 (ESV)
13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.


It is a state of alertness, or readiness,
 

theanointedwinner

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No, here is where it comes from in the BIBLE:

Matthew 25:13 (ESV)
13 Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.


It is a state of alertness, or readiness,
If he come at inconvenient hour like 3 am


Does Jesus rapture timezone by timezones when people are most awake?

What if coma like sleep paralysis happen, at that unknown hour?
 

VCO

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If he come at inconvenient hour like 3 am


Does Jesus rapture timezone by timezones when people are most awake?

What if coma like sleep paralysis happen, at that unknown hour?


No it happens at different times, depending what part of the WORLD you live in, because it HAPPENS VERY QUICKLY, like Lightning, flashes from East to West.

Luke 17:34-36 (HCSB)
34 I tell you, on that night two will be in one bed: One will be taken and the other will be left.
35 Two women will be grinding grain together: One will be taken and the other left.
36 Two will be in a field: One will be taken, and the other will be left.”

If that percentage is LITERAL, 50% of so-called Christians ARE NOT BORN AGAIN. You have to be BORN AGAIN, to go to heaven.

John 3:3 (NASB)
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Matthew 24:27 (NASB)
27 "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
 

VCO

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If he come at inconvenient hour like 3 am


Does Jesus rapture timezone by timezones when people are most awake?

What if coma like sleep paralysis happen, at that unknown hour?

It is not what you are doing when the trumpet blows, IT IS WHO YOU KNOW IN YOUR HEARD. If the Holy Spirit is Not in your HEART, then YOU DO NOT KNOW JESUS IN THE INNER PERSONAL WAY.
 

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Is watching works?

Please clarify
There are many works that a Christian is called to after the New Birth. "Not of works" does not mean that works are excluded in Christianity, it means that they have no merit towards our salvation, Christ's merit being the only merit that can justify. Right after Paul says "we are saved by Grace through faith, not of works", he continues that "we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works which God has ordained for us. "

Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
 

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There are many works that a Christian is called to after the New Birth. "Not of works" does not mean that works are excluded in Christianity, it means that they have no merit towards our salvation, Christ's merit being the only merit that can justify. Right after Paul says "we are saved by Grace through faith, not of works", he continues that "we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works which God has ordained for us. "

Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
Amen! Good works put in their proper place -- subsequent to salvation through faith in Christ. The Bible says we are saved by grace through faith, not works, but FOR good works (Ephesians 2:8-10). This does not remove good works from the Christian life. It just puts them in their proper place -- subsequent to the new birth and obtaining salvation through faith in Christ.
 
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If he come at inconvenient hour like 3 am


Does Jesus rapture timezone by timezones when people are most awake?

What if coma like sleep paralysis happen, at that unknown hour?
Perfect....Love it...oh the irony!!:)
 
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@theanointedwinner Can you see lightning crack in the east and shine unto the west? Can you tell when a dead animal is in the ditch by the buzzards or bird gathered?

YEP....why? BECAUSE BOTH are VISIBLE.........the bible states the following....

a. The SAVED will see JESUS coming in the clouds with power and great glory--->Acts 1:11-14
b. The religious lost will see JESUS coming in the clouds with great glory and power--->Mark 14:61-62, Matthew 26:63-64
c. The people of the EARTH will see the Son of MAN coming in the clouds with power -->Luke 21:26-28 <--pay attention to this one
d. EVERY EYE, TRIBE, NATION, SAVED and LOST will see the Son of man coming in Power with Great glory--->Revelation 1:7
e. EVEN DANIEL predicted this truth--->Daniel 7:13

Do not buy this drivelistic imminent return where we go POOF and everyone wonders where we went......the above scriptures prove the visibility of said event...and JESUS will pull us out in FULL view of the entire planet as he prepares to burn the world in his wrath AFTER the GREAT TRIBULATION and PRE WRATH at the 7th trump of REVELATION!
 

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You can tell you have the Holy Spirit in your Heart (human spirit), by the LOVE you have for GOD, and the Love you have for the Brethren in your Heart. That means you are Ready to go, when you hear the Trumpet and the SHOUT. That is SALVATION, And you will automatically want to Obey Him out of LOVE, after you are Saved.

1 John 3:14-19 (NASB)
14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death.
15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
16 We know love by this, that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?
18 Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth.
19 We will know by this that we are of the truth, and will assure our heart before Him
 

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@theanointedwinner Can you see lightning crack in the east and shine unto the west? Can you tell when a dead animal is in the ditch by the buzzards or bird gathered?

YEP....why? BECAUSE BOTH are VISIBLE.........the bible states the following....

a. The SAVED will see JESUS coming in the clouds with power and great glory--->Acts 1:11-14
b. The religious lost will see JESUS coming in the clouds with great glory and power--->Mark 14:61-62, Matthew 26:63-64
c. The people of the EARTH will see the Son of MAN coming in the clouds with power -->Luke 21:26-28 <--pay attention to this one
d. EVERY EYE, TRIBE, NATION, SAVED and LOST will see the Son of man coming in Power with Great glory--->Revelation 1:7
e. EVEN DANIEL predicted this truth--->Daniel 7:13

Do not buy this drivelistic imminent return where we go POOF and everyone wonders where we went......the above scriptures prove the visibility of said event...and JESUS will pull us out in FULL view of the entire planet as he prepares to burn the world in his wrath AFTER the GREAT TRIBULATION and PRE WRATH at the 7th trump of REVELATION!
The Trumpet CALLING US OUT, has NOTHING to do with the 7th Trump of Revelation. It is Tradition to CALL THE BRIDE OUT OF THE OLD DWELLING PLACE, with a Trumpet and a SHOUT. Every Orthodox Jewish Wedding for about 3000 years has pictured this. You connect it to the 7th Trump of Revelation, leads to all kinds of errors.
 

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Amen! Good works put in their proper place -- subsequent to salvation through faith in Christ. The Bible says we are saved by grace through faith, not works, but FOR good works (Ephesians 2:8-10). This does not remove good works from the Christian life. It just puts them in their proper place -- subsequent to the new birth and obtaining salvation through faith in Christ.

Perhaps a better way of putting it is:

You have to be BORN AGAIN, before you can start to LIVE OUT THE LOVE.
 

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Perhaps a better way of putting it is:

You have to be BORN AGAIN, before you can start to LIVE OUT THE LOVE.
I think Jesus put it simply in the sermon on the mount. Until we have removed the plank in
our own eye, our sin and impurity, we cannot see what is wrong in other people.

And equally love does not flow until we understand we are forgiven and resolved, which means
we begin to know how to love and we we should love.

A sinner does love, but always in a way that hides their sin and avoids disclosure and tends towards
selfishness. Worse still it desires to manipulate rather than help.
 

theanointedwinner

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Mr. Victorious Christian Orville

How can the mathematical likelihood of salvation be increased?
 

VCO

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Mr. Victorious Christian Orville

How can the mathematical likelihood of salvation be increased?

IT CANNOT!

FAITH is NOT OF YOURSELVES, and YOU ARE SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH. IT IS A GIFT OF GOD.

Looking for the mathematical likelihood is the OPPOSITE of FAITH. IT LEAVES ROOM FOR DOUBT, and genuine FAITH DOES NOT.
 
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The Trumpet CALLING US OUT, has NOTHING to do with the 7th Trump of Revelation. It is Tradition to CALL THE BRIDE OUT OF THE OLD DWELLING PLACE, with a Trumpet and a SHOUT. Every Orthodox Jewish Wedding for about 3000 years has pictured this. You connect it to the 7th Trump of Revelation, leads to all kinds of errors.
Keep believing the same old regurgitated drivel bro.....the bible does not teach some invisible, imminent return where we go POOF and everyone wonders where we went....that view is just another man made farce.....even the siege and fall of JERICHO carries the exact same order of the seals, trumpets and the same verbiage applied unto the resurrection/change as found in 1st Thessalonians 4 and 1st Corinthians 15.....but hey.......time will tell.....and actually connecting it to the 7th trump = truth