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I do....
I can say this salvation is eternally secure because of Whom (Jesus) we have believed in....
He does not make us unborn again,
nor does He unseal us,
nor does He take away our justified status,
nor does He uncleanse us,
nor does He disown us,
nor does He toss us in the Lake of Fire,
nor does He make us an old creation
nor does He make us unrighteous........
Preach the Truth and then you shall truly be Free in Him
I can say this salvation is eternally secure because of Whom (Jesus) we have believed in....
He does not make us unborn again,
nor does He unseal us,
nor does He take away our justified status,
nor does He uncleanse us,
nor does He disown us,
nor does He toss us in the Lake of Fire,
nor does He make us an old creation
nor does He make us unrighteous........
Preach the Truth and then you shall truly be Free in Him
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Bible doesn't say "nothing". It also doens't list "numerous things". It gives only one thing. Therefore, please do not exaggerate the situation.
Ourselves:
Rom_8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
It is our own selves in our choosing to sin that brings the separation:
Isa_59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
The list you gave to 'prove' OSAS, is easily demonstrated to be in error, and misused, even one at a time. Would you be wiling to look at each individual claim in their proper contexts?
Ourselves:
Rom_8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
It is our own selves in our choosing to sin that brings the separation:
Isa_59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
The list you gave to 'prove' OSAS, is easily demonstrated to be in error, and misused, even one at a time. Would you be wiling to look at each individual claim in their proper contexts?
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He has offered the truth over and over again but sadly you refuse to be open and accept it. 
Also sad that you would regard truth as to some broken needle on record.
Again salvation is completely secure and apart from every and all works!!
Believe It ..... dCon et. al. are defending biblical truth and you are wrong, plain and simple.
Also sad that you would regard truth as to some broken needle on record.
Again salvation is completely secure and apart from every and all works!!
Believe It ..... dCon et. al. are defending biblical truth and you are wrong, plain and simple.
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And you are dense if you think the word NOTHING does not apply in the following scriptures
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord
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It must really suck to serve a god that does not keep his word, upbraids and dangles salvation like a carrot, one that states clearly he will never leave us or forsake us and then lies and does leave us or forsake us.....a god that can save us but not keep us saved, one that pays our sins but then really holds them against us, one that promises to keep us by his power but is too weak and ineffectual to keep us etc.....
Some of you might as well give up....your god is weak, inept and cannot even keep you saved if you must help him....tragic....
My bible does not peddle a street organ playing god......
Some of you might as well give up....your god is weak, inept and cannot even keep you saved if you must help him....tragic....
My bible does not peddle a street organ playing god......
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Some scriptures for all of us...
Matthew 2:34 O generation of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
Matthew 7:12-23
[12], Therefore all things whatever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
[13], Enter you in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14], Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it.
[15], Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[16], You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[17], Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.
[18], A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[19], Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20], Why by their fruits you shall know them.
[21], Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
[23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
1 Corinthians 13
[1], Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
[2], And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing.
[3], And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profits me nothing.
[4], Love suffers long, and is kind; charity envies not; charity braggs not itself, is not puffed up,
[5], Does not behave itself unseemly, seeks not her own, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil;
[6], Rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
[7], Bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
[8], Love never fails: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
[9], For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
[10], But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
[11], When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
[12], For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
[13], And now stays faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love
May God bless you
Matthew 2:34 O generation of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
Matthew 7:12-23
[12], Therefore all things whatever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
[13], Enter you in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14], Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it.
[15], Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[16], You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[17], Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.
[18], A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[19], Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20], Why by their fruits you shall know them.
[21], Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
[23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
1 Corinthians 13
[1], Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
[2], And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing.
[3], And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profits me nothing.
[4], Love suffers long, and is kind; charity envies not; charity braggs not itself, is not puffed up,
[5], Does not behave itself unseemly, seeks not her own, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil;
[6], Rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
[7], Bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
[8], Love never fails: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
[9], For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
[10], But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
[11], When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
[12], For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
[13], And now stays faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love
May God bless you
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I can deal with heat for my stance and what I dish out....but targeting my two lost children to disease, my handicapped son and calling me the following names is way out of bounds....
You remind me of others, OH,who were they😏 I remember! Nazis,communist,liberals,,pharisees,witch burners, ect.ect.
You remind me of others, OH,who were they😏 I remember! Nazis,communist,liberals,,pharisees,witch burners, ect.ect.
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