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cv5

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FOR THE RECORD--->I do not believe in ALIENS from other worlds. HAVING said that I have been in the military "Marine", used to watch jets of ever flavor come and go at El Toro, been to numerous air shows, numerous airports around the world and have family members that are pilots.....just to qualify what I am about to say....

Christmas night,at my house in Castleraegh, Australia at 10 P.M....we were all outside chatting because it is summer there at that time....Clear as a bell, no clouds, no wind, no sound and a solid RED light came cruising across the sky from the North, no sound whatsoever at all and it stopped on a DIME from SPEED right above us "numerous witnesses"....it hovered for about 30 seconds, split in two and in less than one second and a blink of an eye made the horizon and out of sight....one went NORTH and one went SOUTH....NO SOUND and like I said....from cruising at speed FASTER than any military JET I have seen to stopping on a DIME and then from a DEAD stop to faster than ANY JET I have seen fly and out of SIGHT in less than a second.....NO jet can do that...not even a Blackbird.......

WHAT was it.....NO IDEA....NONE of us had any explanation...........
UFO's are a real phenomenon all right. No doubt about that. Its just that nobody knows what they really are.
Doubtless the whole shebang is Satanic one way or another, as the whole thing is shot full of deception.
 

cv5

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I just had to shut my TV off, and come here to REPORT the lasted plot of the Devil. I NEVER WATCH THE PROGRAM "ANCIENT ALIENS", but that was the program that was on, when I turned the TV on. I was more interested in my GOOD cup of Coffee, than what was on TV. So it played for a few minutes, and THEN I HEARD A BLASPHEMOUS STATEMENT, that exposed what they are up too. They said, "It appears that King Solomon may have had OTHER ALIEN WORLD CONNECTIONS, and might not Jesus of Nazarous had other ALIEN WORLD CONNECTIONS TOO?"

I SHUT MY TV OFF QUICKLY, and now the DECEIVING SPIRITS BEHIND THE PROGRAM - BEGINS. They have been having this program with the ulterior motive for a couple years now, and NOW there MOTIVE is OBVIOUS, to GET PEOPLE TO DOUBT that JESUS WAS DEITY. They want you to believe that the Power of JESUS came from Other Alien Worldly Connections. This Program has taken over The HISTORY Channel. Which used to have only the Programs pertaining to History, and programs like American Pickers aired on it.

The Reason I have hated that program, ever since it started, is I was in the U.S. Air Force, when the SR71 was cleared of flight testing, and first went into Service. I went past the Runway on the way to work the Day the SR71 first landed, and here is the first GLIMPSE of that AIR CRAFT that I personally saw, and it made me do a double take thinking it was ALIEN LOOKING.



The bird was sighted by civilians and reported as a UFO, all thru it's Test Training and beyond. It was classified as Top Secret when it arrived at out base. We were told if someone asked us about the strange bird: "I don't know about any such aircraft. As far as I know, it does not exist." When it would land after a mission, it would go straight into the hanger, and the doors closed, with MP's to guard it.
Yes it is decommissioned now, BUT don't you think there are other Top Secret Aircraft, that the General Public does not KNOW ABOUT?
AND I LAUGH anytime some one mentions a UFO.

I even had a guy on another thread mention about a year ago: "I never thought they existed, but I saw a genuine UFO tonight, a big orange ball hovering in the sky, and then took off at high speed, and out of sight." I used to live 3 miles from the TOP GUN SCHOOL, and I saw that scene frequently lighting up the night sky. The F-35 can hover in the sky, and take off from that hover, when the afterburner is kicked on, and all you can see on a pitch black night, is the ORANGE LIGHT OF THE SINGLE AFTERBURNER. So much for UFO REPORTS.

Imagine what this looks like on a Pitch Black Night.
There is your Orange Ball lighting up the sky at night.
Ancient Aliens is pure drivel. And yes it is to be assiduously avoided. We have the truth, the real truth, the whole truth and it is the Scriptures.
 
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Why are you against once saved always saved......it is just another of saying saved eternally, eternal security, the security of the believer.....

To be honest is really bothers me that people who embrace eternal security have an issue with once saved always saved.
I use "eternal security" because it is less words to type :D having said that, I am good with OSAS .... which now come to think of it is less letters... boy-oh-boy...... and all this time I thought I was using a short cut.


I am also good with greasy gracer in case anyone was wondering.
 
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FOR THE RECORD--->I do not believe in ALIENS from other worlds. HAVING said that I have been in the military "Marine", used to watch jets of ever flavor come and go at El Toro, been to numerous air shows, numerous airports around the world and have family members that are pilots.....just to qualify what I am about to say....

Christmas night,at my house in Castleraegh, Australia at 10 P.M....we were all outside chatting because it is summer there at that time....Clear as a bell, no clouds, no wind, no sound and a solid RED light came cruising across the sky from the North, no sound whatsoever at all and it stopped on a DIME from SPEED right above us "numerous witnesses"....it hovered for about 30 seconds, split in two and in less than one second and a blink of an eye made the horizon and out of sight....one went NORTH and one went SOUTH....NO SOUND and like I said....from cruising at speed FASTER than any military JET I have seen to stopping on a DIME and then from a DEAD stop to faster than ANY JET I have seen fly and out of SIGHT in less than a second.....NO jet can do that...not even a Blackbird.......

WHAT was it.....NO IDEA....NONE of us had any explanation...........
Interesting, do you think then that God created other beings on other planets?

In which case are they really aliens?

Or do you mean "aliens" as in from the spiritual world?
 

DeighAnn

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1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1 Peter 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1 Peter 1:15 But as He which hath called you is holy, SO BE YE HOLY IN ALL MANNER OF CONVERSATION
1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
We will know them by their fruits, here their fruits are put forth in words, tone, attitude.

1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons jUDGETH ACCORDING TO EVERY MAN'S WORK, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear,
1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers
1 Peter 1:19 BUT WITH THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, AS A LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH AND WITHOUT SPOT

1 Peter 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice (of a bad nature, not such as it ought to be, injurious, a mode of thinking, feeling, or acting, vicious disposition) , and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, all evil speakings,
1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby

1 Peter 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men

1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called because Christ also suffered for us, LEAVING US AN EXAMPLE THAT YE SHOULD FOLLOW HIS STEPS
1 Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth

1 Peter 3:8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous
1 Peter 3:9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing (3059 loidoria abuse, railing see 3058 loidoreo properly to say harsh things (make verbal assaults) to revile, to spue bitter statements, using mean spirited, insulting words to demoralize (humiliate) from 3060 loidoros reproach (reviling) used of injuring anothers reputation by denigrating, abusive insults) :) but contrariwise blessing knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
1 Peter 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison (all those who had died under the law)


1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God ((JUDGMENT STARTING WITH THE TEACHERS AND PREACHERS OF GODS WORD) and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
1 Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear


Why some may believe that OSAS can sin all they want and do? Because we see it everyday
Anyone can clearly see (or pray) that the OSAS spirit is not in control nor would it be possible to be present because of the constant stream of verbal assaults and abuse, aimed at fellow Christians, using mean spirited , insulting words to demoralize (humiliate) along with the reproach used of injuring another's reputation by denigrating abusive insults and the rebuke from other OSAS is thumbs up, winner, and agree checks. Everyone here knows that is not fruit of the spirit, that is pure flesh man insulting Gods Word, and because it is perceived "truth" the constant sin of delivery is deemed "just fine" instead of being rebuked " as it should be. I have rebuked, I am in obeisance.


The same point I was trying to make.
Not one person on here who believes you can lose it responded?

Why is that?

Because they cannot define the marker or the line.

But they accuse OSAS (I like ES) and greasy gracers of preaching we can sin all we want and still be saved.
Because it was a sarcastic question, wasn't it? No one jumped up and said "never really was" did they?

Do you know how many sins is too many? Me neither. But God does and for as many times as you can say you found it, you can't refute, without changing what is written anyhow, all those that say God will not be mocked and you can. At least we don't go around calling you names, and asking if you are truly saved, and how do you know, or give you mocking names in every other post we make.
 

VCO

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UFO's are a real phenomenon all right. No doubt about that. Its just that nobody knows what they really are.
Doubtless the whole shebang is Satanic one way or another, as the whole thing is shot full of deception.

Be a silly fool if you want. But most of them are our own top secret aircraft. Most of the other are our Chinese and Russian Top Secret Aircraft. And 1 or 2 percent are of unknown origin. You may want to imagine they come from A Galaxy, Far, Far, Away, BUT I believe they originate from English, French, or German top secret projects.

If you want to educate yourself on supposed UFO's, look at these strange aircraft, and remember these are only the ones that were declassified. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en....gws-wiz-img.QD1ycPtDc-o#imgrc=KYySyBOREuu7PM:
 

VCO

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FOR THE RECORD--->I do not believe in ALIENS from other worlds. HAVING said that I have been in the military "Marine", used to watch jets of ever flavor come and go at El Toro, been to numerous air shows, numerous airports around the world and have family members that are pilots.....just to qualify what I am about to say....

Christmas night,at my house in Castleraegh, Australia at 10 P.M....we were all outside chatting because it is summer there at that time....Clear as a bell, no clouds, no wind, no sound and a solid RED light came cruising across the sky from the North, no sound whatsoever at all and it stopped on a DIME from SPEED right above us "numerous witnesses"....it hovered for about 30 seconds, split in two and in less than one second and a blink of an eye made the horizon and out of sight....one went NORTH and one went SOUTH....NO SOUND and like I said....from cruising at speed FASTER than any military JET I have seen to stopping on a DIME and then from a DEAD stop to faster than ANY JET I have seen fly and out of SIGHT in less than a second.....NO jet can do that...not even a Blackbird.......

WHAT was it.....NO IDEA....NONE of us had any explanation...........
In the Training Film in the service to orient us about the SR71 Black Bird, telling it was Top Secret, they interviewed a Pilot, in 1970. When they asked what was the max air speed of the SR71? The Pilot said 2000 mph PLUS. When they asked him what does the PLUS mean. He Said, "That means we have had it up to 2000, but their was Plenty of Throttle LEFT." Like I said THAT was in 1970, what are they still sitting on TOP SECRET, just in case we need it for the first strike scenario from the Russians or Chinese.
 

fredoheaven

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1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1 Peter 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1 Peter 1:15 But as He which hath called you is holy, SO BE YE HOLY IN ALL MANNER OF CONVERSATION
1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
We will know them by their fruits, here their fruits are put forth in words, tone, attitude.

1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons jUDGETH ACCORDING TO EVERY MAN'S WORK, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear,
1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers
1 Peter 1:19 BUT WITH THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, AS A LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH AND WITHOUT SPOT

1 Peter 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice (of a bad nature, not such as it ought to be, injurious, a mode of thinking, feeling, or acting, vicious disposition) , and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, all evil speakings,
1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby

1 Peter 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men

1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called because Christ also suffered for us, LEAVING US AN EXAMPLE THAT YE SHOULD FOLLOW HIS STEPS
1 Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth

1 Peter 3:8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous
1 Peter 3:9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing (3059 loidoria abuse, railing see 3058 loidoreo properly to say harsh things (make verbal assaults) to revile, to spue bitter statements, using mean spirited, insulting words to demoralize (humiliate) from 3060 loidoros reproach (reviling) used of injuring anothers reputation by denigrating, abusive insults) :) but contrariwise blessing knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
1 Peter 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison (all those who had died under the law)


1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God ((JUDGMENT STARTING WITH THE TEACHERS AND PREACHERS OF GODS WORD) and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
1 Peter 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear


Why some may believe that OSAS can sin all they want and do? Because we see it everyday
Anyone can clearly see (or pray) that the OSAS spirit is not in control nor would it be possible to be present because of the constant stream of verbal assaults and abuse, aimed at fellow Christians, using mean spirited , insulting words to demoralize (humiliate) along with the reproach used of injuring another's reputation by denigrating abusive insults and the rebuke from other OSAS is thumbs up, winner, and agree checks. Everyone here knows that is not fruit of the spirit, that is pure flesh man insulting Gods Word, and because it is perceived "truth" the constant sin of delivery is deemed "just fine" instead of being rebuked " as it should be. I have rebuked, I am in obeisance.


Because it was a sarcastic question, wasn't it? No one jumped up and said "never really was" did they?

Do you know how many sins is too many? Me neither. But God does and for as many times as you can say you found it, you can't refute, without changing what is written anyhow, all those that say God will not be mocked and you can. At least we don't go around calling you names, and asking if you are truly saved, and how do you know, or give you mocking names in every other post we make.
Umm, so you think you are doing well and OSAS believers are not? Most of the scripture you use can be a greatest tool against NOSAS. Actually the passage talks about the redemption on precious blood of Christ. Paid in Full! Of course we are saved to serve. Walk our talk but to those who oppose the simplicity of the Gospel, we need to be warned Peter says:

2 Peter 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
 

VCO

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In the Training Film in the service to orient us about the SR71 Black Bird, telling it was Top Secret, they interviewed a Pilot, in 1970. When they asked what was the max air speed of the SR71? The Pilot said 2000 mph PLUS. When they asked him what does the PLUS mean. He Said, "That means we have had it up to 2000, but their was Plenty of Throttle LEFT." Like I said THAT was in 1970, what are they still sitting on TOP SECRET, just in case we need it for the first strike scenario from the Russians or Chinese.
I forgot to mention, there are Jets that have the ability to be VERY QUIET WHEN THEY WANT TO BE.
 

VCO

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Interesting, do you think then that God created other beings on other planets?

In which case are they really aliens?

Or do you mean "aliens" as in from the spiritual world?

Yes, because of the shear number of stars. However, since HE CREATED THEM IN SIX DAYS, THEY CANNOT BE THAT MUCH MORE ADVANCED THEN WE ARE. YES, I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE IN CREATION!

Genesis 1:8 (NRSV)
8 God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.


That is the precise was the JEWS COUNT WHAT AN EARTH DAY IS.
 

DeighAnn

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Umm, so you think you are doing well and OSAS believers are not? Most of the scripture you use can be a greatest tool against NOSAS. Actually the passage talks about the redemption on precious blood of Christ. Paid in Full! Of course we are saved to serve. Walk our talk but to those who oppose the simplicity of the Gospel, we need to be warned Peter says:

2 Peter 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Do I have this correct, I have been saved by the LORD He has gifted me all He has gifted you, but because I don't teach or believe in OSAS, MY BEING SAVED IS A LIE? I AM NOT SAVED? AND I am actually denying the Lord and am bringing swift destruction upon myself? Are you also telling me my ways are pernicious because I do not believe in OSAS? And you are also telling me that I am speaking evil of truth OF THE WORD OF GOD, because I do not believe in OSAS? And damnation is waiting for me? So NOTHING except THIS ONE DOCTRINE OF OSAS will keep me from damnation? The whole rest of the Word is a lie? Please be exact and direct in your response.
 

VCO

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Do I have this correct, I have been saved by the LORD He has gifted me all He has gifted you, but because I don't teach or believe in OSAS, MY BEING SAVED IS A LIE? I AM NOT SAVED? AND I am actually denying the Lord and am bringing swift destruction upon myself? Are you also telling me my ways are pernicious because I do not believe in OSAS? And you are also telling me that I am speaking evil of truth OF THE WORD OF GOD, because I do not believe in OSAS? And damnation is waiting for me? So NOTHING except THIS ONE DOCTRINE OF OSAS will keep me from damnation? The whole rest of the Word is a lie? Please be exact and direct in your response.
There are no contradiction in the BIBLE. Anytime you think you found one, it is obvious, you misunderstood, or misinterpreted one or both Verses.

2 Timothy 2:19 (HCSB)
19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, having this inscription: The Lord knows those who are His, and Everyone who names the name of the Lord must turn away from unrighteousness.

John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.

2 John 1:2 (HCSB)
2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever.

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

John 14:16-17 (GWT)
16 I will ask the Father, and he will give you another helper who will be with you forever.
17 That helper is the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept him, because it doesn't see or know him. You know him, because he lives with you and will be in you.

John 6:47 (NASB)
47 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. [It is not ETERNAL if it can be lost.]




 

Lightskin

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Interesting, do you think then that God created other beings on other planets?

In which case are they really aliens?

Or do you mean "aliens" as in from the spiritual world?
For me what’s fascinating about the possibility of there being life throughout the universe is that Jesus Christ is Lord of it all. 😊
 

BillG

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At least we don't go around calling you names, and asking if you are truly saved, and how do you know, or give you mocking names in every other post we make.
At least we do not go around accusing people that we believe it's ok to sin all you want, that we don't do good works and other shocking statements about what we believe all by inference saying we are not saved. Even a few posts back one of your friends suggested that.

Don't bother responding to me. I have your handle.
 

BillG

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Why are you against once saved always saved......it is just another of saying saved eternally, eternal security, the security of the believer.....

To be honest is really bothers me that people who embrace eternal security have an issue with once saved always saved.
I am not against OSAS.

I try not to use it and ES because even though we do not agree with what others perceive what we believe and tell them so they still attack and continue to falsely accuse. And all they see is OSAS and it's like a red tag to a bull. Not for all of them but for a good good few.

For me ES/OSAS mean the same.
 

DeighAnn

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At least we do not go around accusing people that we believe it's ok to sin all you want, that we don't do good works and other shocking statements about what we believe all by inference saying we are not saved. Even a few posts back one of your friends suggested that.

Don't bother responding to me. I have your handle.
So no answer again. Just false accusations.
Who do you think will be hearing "I never knew you"? People who only "thought" they were saved but "never really were". You all didn't tell them that was a possibility.

I don't give false sense of security. You walk away from God, you know you are walking away. God wont be begging. We are here for His pleasure. There will be no evil to see the 3rd earth age. Choice is up to you. God keeps His promises and will not be mocked. Like it or not.

Don't put words into my mouth and then tell me to not respond. I am not responsible for what other people say. Please, quote my posts along with your accusations
 

DeighAnn

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and Everyone who names the name of the Lord must turn away from unrighteousness.
Not according to osas.
You really don't see the problem do you? Who do you think will be hearing "I never knew you?" Those who were "never really saved".

BUT WHAT they were taught, follow these rules, say these things, feel this, confess that, and you are guaranteed eternal life, they 'Believe. And they go on their merry way believing just that. They are sure, with that knowledge, they got that one foot into heaven, and that is all they care about, that is all the faith they ever wanted or needed. So they thought. THEY BELIEVE WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN TAUGHT. Do you get that?

Only problem is, there are rules. Like the one right above. But they didn't stick around for that rule. And when you try to speak with them on any level, the only thing they will say is "I am saved already", that is all I need. And you realize, some little preacher somewhere taught them a lie and stole any chance they may have had. You casually mention "The Lamb of God" and they don't know what that means, But they don't need to, they have a "special spirit led life" that gives them all they need to know, they repented and were baptized sealing the deal. They are shut down past that. And suddenly they are dead.

You and I know that wasn't true, never was. But they didn't. And now they never will, ever.
 

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I stand amazed at those who do not quite understand that the bible is FULL of absolute TRUTHS......SALVATION, JUSTIFICATION, SEALED, positionally sanctified ALL contain the absolute truth that it is BY FAITH these are given unto men and or applied unto men eternally.....
Amen! Yet sadly, some could not make it any more obvious that they teach salvation by works. For example, the Greek word for abide (meno) simply means to stay, remain and "obedience" which "follows" as we abide in Christ is "works," yet I've seen works-salvationists define abide "as" obedience/works then base obtaining salvation on obedience/works instead of through faith in Christ alone. (Ephesians 2:8,9)

Romans 5:19 - For as by one man’s disobedience (Adam) many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience (Christ) many will be made righteous. It's not because of our obedience/works that we are made righteous and acceptable to God and brought into right standing with Him, but the obedience of Christ.

Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.
 

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Amen! Yet sadly, some could not make it any more obvious that they teach salvation by works. For example, the Greek word for abide (meno) simply means to stay, remain and "obedience" which "follows" as we abide in Christ is "works," yet I've seen works-salvationists define abide "as" obedience/works then base obtaining salvation on obedience/works instead of through faith in Christ alone. (Ephesians 2:8,9)

Romans 5:19 - For as by one man’s disobedience (Adam) many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience (Christ) many will be made righteous. It's not because of our obedience/works that we are made righteous and acceptable to God and brought into right standing with Him, but the obedience of Christ.

Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.
Obedience is how we abide in Him (Christ), not faith. Faith is our hope for the promises given, nothing more.

John 15:10If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and remain in His love.

1 John 2:3 By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments.

Nobody fronts salvation by works of the law and no one fronts salvation by any works at all but without abiding in Christ, no salvation at all.