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Melach

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You can dream and be delusional all you want...your false drivel challenges no one except maybe Mickey Mouse or the writer of Looney Tunes pal......
hi big bro.

can you send me message explaining or put here on the verses that works salvationists use to proof their point?

send me in pm if u want friend.


like righteous man shall scarcely be saved that verse. anyone else can pm me for that question too its a sign
 

VCO

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So true... I really do not know how people function with those obvious contradictions.

I agree, EVERLASTING GRACE began before the Beginning of TIME, when our Names were written in the Lamb's Book of Life. And personally concluded forever with the HOLY SPIRIT empowering us to mournfully repent and receive JESUS as OUR LORD, meaning Master.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Revelation 17:8 (HCSB)
8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up from the abyss and go to destruction. Those who live on the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast that was, and is not, and will be present ⌊again⌋.

Revelation 20:15 (NKJV)
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27 (NKJV)
27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie,
but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Revelation 3:19-20 (NRSV)
19 I reprove and discipline those whom I love. Be earnest, therefore, and repent.
20 Listen! I am standing at the door, knocking; if you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to you and eat with you, and you with me.

Psalm 51:17 (GWT)
17 The sacrifice pleasing to God is a broken spirit. O God, you do not despise a broken and sorrowful heart.

1 Corinthians 12:3 (HCSB)
3 Therefore I am informing you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is cursed,”
and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” [as a confession] except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess [not just profess] with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved;
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.


That is the SIMPLE GOSPEL, so why do people want to add to that ? ? ?

Perhaps PRIDE in their own works ? ? ?
 

dcontroversal

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So true... I really do not know how people function with those obvious contradictions.
Called deluded........just think....one day soon...all that will not receive the love of the truth that they might be saved will be deluded by GOD himself and they will ALL buy into the BEAST as GOD............bad day for them ALL....fate sealed and hell to pay!
 

dcontroversal

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hi big bro.

can you send me message explaining or put here on the verses that works salvationists use to proof their point?

send me in pm if u want friend.

like righteous man shall scarcely be saved that verse. anyone else can pm me for that question too its a sign
Not sure what you are looking for migo.....if you read through the thread you will see numerous examples of the skewed and twisted verses that they use to try and discredit eternal security/salvation........the book of JAMES, HEBREWS are two books the shred to peddle their false gospels......they also PIT JESUS against PAUL and PAUL against JAMES......they deny verb tense, context, the very definition of words......there are way too many examples to even begin to address......
 

Melach

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Not sure what you are looking for migo.....if you read through the thread you will see numerous examples of the skewed and twisted verses that they use to try and discredit eternal security/salvation........the book of JAMES, HEBREWS are two books the shred to peddle their false gospels......they also PIT JESUS against PAUL and PAUL against JAMES......they deny verb tense, context, the very definition of words......there are way too many examples to even begin to address......
fredoheaven sent me a great extensive article about it.

its all good!
 
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UnderGrace

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Called deluded........just think....one day soon...all that will not receive the love of the truth that they might be saved will be deluded by GOD himself and they will ALL buy into the BEAST as GOD............bad day for them ALL....fate sealed and hell to pay!
God is very long suffering indeed.
There many that are deluded I agree, however, I am beginning to think some actually teach false doctrine purposely or really do not care what they teach, not here but in the wider world and people flock to them.
Thinking of high profile teachers.
 

VCO

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I agree, EVERLASTING GRACE began before the Beginning of TIME, when our Names were written in the Lamb's Book of Life. And personally concluded forever with the HOLY SPIRIT empowering us to mournfully repent and receive JESUS as OUR LORD, meaning Master.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Revelation 17:8 (HCSB)
8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up from the abyss and go to destruction. Those who live on the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast that was, and is not, and will be present ⌊again⌋.

Revelation 20:15 (NKJV)
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27 (NKJV)
27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie,
but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Revelation 3:19-20 (NRSV)
19 I reprove and discipline those whom I love. Be earnest, therefore, and repent.
20 Listen! I am standing at the door, knocking; if you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to you and eat with you, and you with me.

Psalm 51:17 (GWT)
17 The sacrifice pleasing to God is a broken spirit. O God, you do not despise a broken and sorrowful heart.

1 Corinthians 12:3 (HCSB)
3 Therefore I am informing you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is cursed,”
and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” [as a confession] except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess [not just profess] with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead,
you will be saved;
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.


That is the SIMPLE GOSPEL, so why do people want to add to that ? ? ?

Perhaps PRIDE in their own works ? ? ?

That puts a different kind of twist on the old addage,

"Pride goes before Destruction." Amazing how that fits.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Fruitless faith is faith going to the lake of fire.
Isreal without fruit was rejected.
We are called to have fruit that will last, not just fruit.

Listen to God not man.
False prophets will always lie, parade pompously and with weapons to destroy they think the word of God and His people. They are bad trees that will be cut down and are unrecoverable. We in Christ we hope for these folk but Jesus knew some where unreachable, because they have gone to far.

I realised once someone says I am this evil, deceived, satanic creature, I am created in their mind as something of their own creation, which I cannot change or feed or adjust. So in their mind and words they point at this image and invent words and responses to their points, creating a worse and worse picture. They actually become the image they are projecting, not seeing it is their own spiritual shell. And the deeper the deception the more they can never admit this, because then the world means they are guilty and wrong, and their enemy, this beast, evil, dark has won.

Seeing the truth of others, by loving your enemy, by seeing what is, listening to the words and stopping ones imagination creating these projections and illusions, is the start of life with Christ.

Loving your enemy is the start of freedom, because your enemy is often not your enemy but your own dreads, and hatred, and judgements. Ironic that. God bless you
 

Poinsetta

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Fruitless faith is faith going to the lake of fire.
Isreal without fruit was rejected.
We are called to have fruit that will last, not just fruit.

Listen to God not man.
False prophets will always lie, parade pompously and with weapons to destroy they think the word of God and His people. They are bad trees that will be cut down and are unrecoverable. We in Christ we hope for these folk but Jesus knew some where unreachable, because they have gone to far.

I realised once someone says I am this evil, deceived, satanic creature, I am created in their mind as something of their own creation, which I cannot change or feed or adjust. So in their mind and words they point at this image and invent words and responses to their points, creating a worse and worse picture. They actually become the image they are projecting, not seeing it is their own spiritual shell. And the deeper the deception the more they can never admit this, because then the world means they are guilty and wrong, and their enemy, this beast, evil, dark has won.

Seeing the truth of others, by loving your enemy, by seeing what is, listening to the words and stopping ones imagination creating these projections and illusions, is the start of life with Christ.

Loving your enemy is the start of freedom, because your enemy is often not your enemy but your own dreads, and hatred, and judgements. Ironic that. God bless you
But all enemies are earthly enemies.

And if i bless my enemies well i might get a reward in heaven but which enemy am i gonna show it off too?


The thing is, my enemies are blessed and this just an earthly world so who cares right?

Half of my life is wasted but who cares.
 

dcontroversal

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God is very long suffering indeed.
There many that are deluded I agree, however, I am beginning to think some actually teach false doctrine purposely or really do not care what they teach, not here but in the wider world and people flock to them.
Thinking of high profile teachers.
Oh for sure...........not problem with that view......
 

dcontroversal

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But all enemies are earthly enemies.

And if i bless my enemies well i might get a reward in heaven but which enemy am i gonna show it off too?


The thing is, my enemies are blessed and this just an earthly world so who cares right?

Half of my life is wasted but who cares.
I personally believe that we conflate the word "enemies" with false teachers............false teachers are the enemies of Christ himself.......Jesus prayed for those crucifying him and Stephen for those stoning him to death......it is a fine line for sure......
 

Poinsetta

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I personally believe that we conflate the word "enemies" with false teachers............false teachers are the enemies of Christ himself.......Jesus prayed for those crucifying him and Stephen for those stoning him to death......it is a fine line for sure......
I know i did my part. Lol.
 

Leastamongmany

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Usa
Romans 9:20-23
Nay,but,O man,Who are thou that replies against God? Shall the thing created say to Him that formed it,Why hast thou made me thus?
Hath not the potter power over the clay,of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour,and another to dishounour?
What if God,willing to shew His wrath,and to make His power known,endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
And that He might make known the riches of His glory in the vessels of mercy,which He had afore prepared unto glory.

Praises to God! He knows His vessels those of honour and those of destruction!
 
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Romans 9:20-23
Nay,but,O man,Who are thou that replies against God? Shall the thing created say to Him that formed it,Why hast thou made me thus?
Hath not the potter power over the clay,of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour,and another to dishounour?
What if God,willing to shew His wrath,and to make His power known,endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
And that He might make known the riches of His glory in the vessels of mercy,which He had afore prepared unto glory.

Praises to God! He knows His vessels those of honour and those of destruction!
Yep he does

Thats why when he saves a person and gives them eternal life, he knows what he is doing,, he does not make mistakes and save people he will have to unsave later in life.
 
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Yep he does

Thats why when he saves a person and gives them eternal life, he knows what he is doing,, he does not make mistakes and save people he will have to unsave later in life.
I kinda agree, but this sounds pretty close to >>> he picks people that will persevere.

If that is what you meant I would disagree.
 

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@eternally-gratefull ,go your own way. I choose God's way. You I will ignore!
Brother EG is going God's way even if you claim otherwise.

No one on this earth could convince him to go any other way no matter how many times you ask him to, he is a born again child of God and knows his Father.
 

FollowHisSteps

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26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
1 John 2

The Holy Spirit teaches us through Gods word. And the biggest lesson we need to learn is remain in him.
Remember the enemy will always distract and obscure the ultimate reality, in Jesus we have the victory
outside we fall and are defeated.

Pauls response to being imprisoned
25 About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them.
26 Suddenly there was such a violent earthquake that the foundations of the prison were shaken. At once all the prison doors flew open, and everybody's chains came loose.
Acts 16

It is through praise and love we proclaim the day of the Lord. Those who do not know the power
of the cross and His anionting cannot withstand or walk in His ways, Amen.

Interestingly all these false prophets can do is childishly raise false accusations and talk theology
while not managing to follow and exercise the fruit of the Spirit. Little wonder they will collapse
and fade away like snow in spring as new life springs forward and blossoms into life through the
power of Jesuses word, Amen
 

DeighAnn

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Isn't everyone to be judged? Won't all reap what they sow? What about' Be not deceived God is not mocked for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap for he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting? And let us not be weary in well doing for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not, what if we do faint? Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ that every one may receive the things done in his body according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Out of every single solitary Christian that has ever been saved not one has ever turned on the ways of God like Satan did? That is a hard sell. Who will take the mark of the Beast? Only those who Satan already has, Not one saved person will be deceived? I wonder why the time had to be cut short or else even GODS ELECT should be deceived that certainly means something different to me.