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Ariel82

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Don't ask me about G777 sinless spirit doctrine, Stephen.. I don't get it either.

I believe "perfect" or telios means spiritual mature in Christ which means having sound doctrine, showing fruit of walking with His Spirit and heavenly wisdom, humbleness and agape love.
 

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Where you at bro.....hard to believe a little over a week ago I was snorkling the Great Barrier Reef off of Queensland AU....Out of Port Douglas.....
Snorkeling at the Great Barrier Reef sounds awesome! :cool: Have you seen any great white sharks?
 
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Yeah the plenteous in nuber ho get cast also probably believe the same thing.....they BLENDED FAITH with WORKS to GAIN of KEEP......it is all in he root.....if yur gospel states that I must believe in JESUS and then WORK to cap it off<----FALSE gospel......
Uummm..... WHAT?
and the above statments by you.....in posts 11262 and 11262.....not even going to play your game.....both statments are ridiculous and prove you like to be antagonistic...........
Gee, how many statements did I make in 11262 & 11262?

Oh, here's all those "antagonistic" statements I made in those pages.

I better post them all because the Mods & Admins are probably reading about these terrible antagonistic statements you claim I make & point me:


Satan & 1/3 of Heaven's angels rebelled from God, and they still belong to God because He made them.

Are they going to heaven, too?
Yep, that's all of them, Admins.
And for the third time today....I do not judge anyne to hell.....only the gospel they espouse and push as compared to the one gospel and one and ony one door the bible affords to the kingdom of heaven......!
Yep..... you've said to peterjens & myself before that we're going to hell for what we believed..... mostly because we don't believe what you do.
 
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Don't ask me about G777 sinless spirit doctrine, Stephen.. I don't get it either.

I believe "perfect" or telios means spiritual mature in Christ which means having sound doctrine, showing fruit of walking with His Spirit and heavenly wisdom, humbleness and agape love.
Do some people believe that working out their salvation means reaching entire sanctification in this lifetime in order to maintain their salvation? :eek:
 
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Uummm..... WHAT?
Gee, how many statements did I make in 11262 & 11262?

Oh, here's all those "antagonistic" statements I made in those pages.

I better post them all because the Mods & Admins are probably reading about these terrible antagonistic statements you claim I make & point me:




Yep, that's all of them, Admins.

Yep..... you've said to peterjens & myself before that we're going to hell for what we believed..... mostly because we don't believe what you do.
HAHAH your hilarious dude......serious.....don't even address me unless you can be honest....serious....!
 
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limey410

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Our race is learning to abide in Christ and not rely on our own effort.
His righteousness is our righteousness, our life is hid with Him.

Our race is practicing, believing and living this truth moment by moment.

Avoiding the naysayers who try to take our eyes off Him back to works based salvation.
Yes, Amen, it is an endurance to keep the faith, a continued trust in Him, in spite of everything. Not trying and failing, striving and falling and gutting it out until the end. It is all about trusting and believing in Him.
 
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Don't ask me about G777 sinless spirit doctrine, Stephen.. I don't get it either.

I believe "perfect" or telios means spiritual mature in Christ which means having sound doctrine, showing fruit of walking with His Spirit and heavenly wisdom, humbleness and agape love.
I don't even pretend to speak for G777 but will make the following statements....

a. Our birth is spiritual (born again of the spirit)
b. Our spiritul birth is of incorruptable SEED (cannot be corrupted, beyond the abilty to be corrupted)
c. Our spiritual birth results in the SEAL of God (by the Holy Spirit)
d. That seal stands sure in the fact that God KNOWS all who are his (THE seal identifies us as belonging to God)
e. It is the SPIRIT that we have that has been BORN of GOD and does NOT SIN because it is (incorruptable) <-John

Jesus speaks to this when he speaks to his saved, immersed disciples that is identifed as a church atleast twice in te preent tense when he states, "The spirit is indeed willing, but the flesh is weak"

God's kingdom is SPIRITUAL, GOD is SPIRIT, OUR BIRTH is spiritual and the flesh profits nothing.....the body is dead because of sin, not subject unto the word of God, neither indeed can be.....however...the SPIRIT that is born of incorruptable seed always seeks to do right, is sinless and eternally secure in Christ......Jesus, John and Paul all cover this...though rejected, denied and swept under the rug by many.....especially those who teach salvation can be lost or gained and kept by works.............
 
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We are in the Clearwater/St Petersburg Florida area. :cool:
Got the worst sunburn in my life there in 1992.....grew up with a pool in Missouri...was always brown as....and me in my wisdom (at that time) did not need sunblock on a cloudy day on the beach.............for weeks I peeled sheets of skin off my body and paid dearly for that idiocy.......
 
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well said mate top marks good Job i salute you..
I bet if you had been alive in the 1938 you would have saluted Neville Chamberlaine when he got off the plane from the Munich Agreement saying peace with honor in our time......
 
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I think that's it, cause DCon put his like on it.

Now I'll ask you, because Dcon refused to answer, "Does double cursed mean he will still go to heaven?
I have answered.......too many times to count......FALSE, DOUBLE CURSED gospels of a differnt KIND have NO power to save.....the false gospel being FAITH PLUS WORKS to gain or keep salvation.............
 
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Ariel82

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Do some people believe that working out their salvation means reaching entire sanctification in this lifetime in order to maintain their salvation? :eek:
??? First I have learned folks define sanctification and salvation differently so don't know how to answer that.

I believe we are being sanctified in this life and will,be glorified in the world to come, when Jesus returns.
 
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Ariel82

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I have answered.......too many times to count......FALSE, DOUBLE CURSED gospels of a differnt KIND have NO power to save.....the false gospel being FAITH PLUS WORKS to gain or keep salvation.............
In other words that gospel sends folks to hell?
 
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Babes in Christ are not automatically mature or "perfect" in Christ and that is what Paul strives for...maturity and oneness with God and His will and wisdom for our lives, joined together with other believers in the Body of Christ.

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Phil. 3:12Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus.
He seems to espouse the same fallacy Jimbo espouses.......our spiritual birth is instaneous the moment we believe.....it is not a process that badda bing happens at the end.....was saved the moment I believed, am saved right now and will continue to be saved until the day Christ finishes me with a glorified body.........my eternal inheritance, reward and position in the kingdom is based upon my level of faithfulness and or lack thereof...........verb tense forever settled in my mind the security of all who genuinely believe the ONE true gospel...a present continuing result from a past completed action.........
 
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More proof of your desire to do nothing but cause division and contention...Jesus did not die for the angels, nor do they have a choice, hell was made or the third that fell and they believe in GOD, (JAMES) but no proof of any chance at redemption.....

so..what is your point other than to devalue the truth....?
 

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??? First I have learned folks define sanctification and salvation differently so don't know how to answer that.

I believe we are being sanctified in this life and will,be glorified in the world to come, when Jesus returns.
Some folks confuse justification with ongoing sanctification. There are three tenses to salvation. 1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification). 2. We are being saved from the PRESENCE of sin (ongoing sanctification). 3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification).
 
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In other words that gospel sends folks to hell?
The bible is clear......ONE DOOR, ONE correct message (gospel) not two, three or fifty......JESUS was clear....the number is plenteous that come before him espousing the same doctrine the workers for espouse.

a. They claim to know JESUS
b. They boast of their works <----faith plus works to gain entrance = a differnet door than the one given
c. The expect to enter heaven

Gospel of HETEROS (different KIND) translated another in Galatians 1
NO POWER
DOUBLE CURSED
FOOLISH
BEWITCHED

The answer is clear..........Salvation by JESUS, BY faith void of works, based upon GRACE and the gift of GOD in Christ and his work
 
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UnderGrace

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If you know and believe that we are saved by grace... kept by grace and grow in grace when we abide in Jesus then there is no sinless spirit doctrine, there is a however a doctrine which teaches us that Jesus is our well of righteousness where we never thirst because we rest in His work.

No more counting our numerous failures but rather looking upon Him and His victory the one who succeeded in conquering death and sin.




Don't ask me about G777 sinless spirit doctrine, Stephen.. I don't get it either.

I believe "perfect" or telios means spiritual mature in Christ which means having sound doctrine, showing fruit of walking with His Spirit and heavenly wisdom, humbleness and agape love.
 
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If you know and believe that we are saved by grace... kept by grace and grow in grace when we abide in Jesus then there is no sinless spirit doctrine, there is a however a doctrine which teaches us that Jesus is our well of righteousness where we never thirst because we rest in His work.

No more counting our numerous failures but rather looking upon Him and His victory the one who succeeded in conquering death and sin.
AMEN.....to this......I agree