Not By Works

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Hevosmies

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dcontroversal said:
AMEN.....flying to Sydney today from the Gold Coast...in the Qantas lounge enjoying a glass of Champaign......STILL saved eternally from the microsecond I asked Jesus to remember me in His kingdom :)
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I see how it is. Flexing in that lounge over there bro. I see you. IM WALKING.

Its aiight doe, IM COMING!

This gypsy is going FIRST CLASS one of these days.

"How did he get in?"
-"I OWN THIS PLANE"
 
Rosemaryx

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eternally-gratefull said:
No, In the greek, He said they do not LIVE or HABITUALLY sin.

Again, Study. John did not contradict himself.



John never said we stopped. He said we do not LIVE in sin.

A pharisee thinks he is not like the sinner, even paul called himself a sinner,



you do not understand the passage at all, it does not say you have ceased from sin
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Amen EG...
That is why we need Gods grace every morning , and His mercy , because we all fall short every day in thought or deed...
...xox...
 
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Amen EG...
That is why we need Gods grace every morning , and His mercy , because we all fall short every day in thought or deed...
...xox...
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Our focus should be love,, by love we are like God

when our focus is law or not sinning we are in deep trouble
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
It does say. And we do know..

Maybe you do not, but it is quite clear who they are.. The world!

The world has never seen (Known) God scripture says.
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The 'past feeling' part of the passage (Ephesians 4:19 KJV) suggests they were illuminated with the truth but rejected it. It can be argued that they had 'feeling' (a sensitivity to the Spirit), but do not now, and as a result have given themselves over to "lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness".

I think we're getting off topic. This thread is about salvation not being by works.
 
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Paul talks about how the Galatians were saved, yet suggests that they didn't 'know' God. So, apparently, to not know God does not mean, categorically, that you are not born again as John seems to suggest. But Paul is consistent with John in the fact that this lack of knowing God (in their salvation) caused them to be weak and fall away to being justified by works of the law.
 
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Judges1318 said:
The 'past feeling' part of the passage (Ephesians 4:19 KJV) suggests they were illuminated with the truth but rejected it. It can be argued that they had 'feeling' (a sensitivity to the Spirit), but do not now, and as a result have given themselves over to "lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness".

I think we're getting off topic. This thread is about salvation not being by works.
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why they were not saved, they rejected it, just like the ones in romans 1 did

it does not say they were ever illuminated.
yes its about grace, you are sounding like works
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
why they were not saved, they rejected it, just like the ones in romans 1 did

it does not say they were ever illuminated.
yes its about grace, you are sounding like works
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Ephesians 4 says nothing about trying to be justified by works of the law.

What it does suggest is they had feeling, then they did not because of blindness of the heart and turned themselves over to lasciviousness.
 
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Judges1318 said:
Ephesians 4 says nothing about trying to be justified by works of the law.

What it does suggest is they had feeling, then they did not because of blindness of the heart and turned themselves over to lasciviousness.
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It never says they were saved, then lost that salvation.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Your post has been answered so many times since you have been here I lost Count, I have no desire to rehash past argument knowing it will come to the same result.

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No it has not. Try clicking on the reply icon on the right. That would be a good start. Then address each point as they are made.
 
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Judges1318 said:
Paul talks about how the Galatians were saved, yet suggests that they didn't 'know' God. So, apparently, to not know God does not mean, categorically, that you are not born again as John seems to suggest. But Paul is consistent with John in the fact that this lack of knowing God (in their salvation) caused them to be weak and fall away to being justified by works of the law.
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:eek::(

No ones falls away from being saved.
 
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lightbearer said:
No it has not. Try clicking on the reply icon on the right. That would be a good start. Then address each point as they are made.
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How long you been here? Go back and read every response ever given to you

been there done that.

good luck earning your salvation
 
Melach

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eternally-gratefull said:
How long you been here? Go back and read every response ever given to you

been there done that.

good luck earning your salvation
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i quit drinking alcohol i hope thats good enough

i must say weekend being sober is really boring i got nothing to do. i will go for a walk soon then come home eat shower back to computer :sleep::geek:

but its good for me i know it. what do you guys like to do on weekends?
 
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Melach said:
i quit drinking alcohol i hope thats good enough

i must say weekend being sober is really boring i got nothing to do. i will go for a walk soon then come home eat shower back to computer :sleep::geek:

but its good for me i know it. what do you guys like to do on weekends?
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I am at my cabin sanding floors..lol
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
It never says they were saved, then lost that salvation.
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I didn't say that.
I said it suggests they had at one time been illuminated.
Unsaved people can be illuminated. And if they believe the illuminated person then becomes saved.
Illuminated all by itself does not mean saved or unsaved. It can refer to both an unsaved person and a saved person.
 
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Judges1318 said:
I didn't say that.
I said it suggests they had at one time been illuminated.
Unsaved people can be illuminated. And if they believe the illuminated person then becomes saved.
Illuminated all by itself does not mean saved or unsaved. It can refer to both an unsaved person and a saved person.
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I disagree

they can be convicted of sin righteousness and judgment, but the things of god are still foolishness to them, because they are not his

no one becomes truly illuminated until god enters them and makes them born again.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I disagree

they can be convicted of sin righteousness and judgment, but the things of god are still foolishness to them, because they are not his

no one becomes truly illuminated until god enters them and makes them born again.
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But wasn't it you who said the illuminated people in Hebrews 6:4 are not saved?
 
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Judges1318 said:
What does that subject have to do with salvation not being by works (the topic of this thread)?
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I only take adjustment from the initiator of this thread @dcontroversal :) and you are not him.

Salvation not being by works is synonymous with salvation being secure .... if there was nothing we could do to earn salvation there sure enough is nothing we can do to loose it....since our works/righteousness/ law keeping have no bearing on either side.
 
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