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know1

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Faith supplies what Hope already says you have which was supplied by grace alone. Faith works by love. We know the love of God for us and this releases true faith.

We can't "faith anything in" that grace has not already provided in Christ's finished work. Hope is the confident expectation of good that is already ours in Christ. It is this reality that ignites true faith. It is always sourced in Christ alone.
If you mean you, when you say "we can't faith anything in", then that might be true, but don't include me in with you. I can and have been doing so for years. I have the power of the word of God abiding in me and the authority of Jesus' name. I don't ask God to get rid of sicknesses, lumps, pains, growths, and the like, I command them to leave in the name of Jesus, and most of the time, they go. And the things I want, I CALL IN, and call it in, and call it in, in the name of Jesus, and it comes, because God said it would in His word.
Jesus said, "And these signs will follow them that believe... what is written."
Which also mean, 'these signs will NOT follow those who do not believe what is written'.
 
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If you mean you, when you say "we can't faith anything in", then that might be true, but don't include me in with you. I can and have been doing so for years. I have the power of the word of God abiding in me and the authority of Jesus' name.
I think he meant Christians that walk by the faith of Christ that works in us according to His will and not of our own selves.

It seems like you have plenty to boast in.

You have the power in you or of you?

I don't ask God to get rid of sicknesses, lumps, pains, growths, and the like, I command them to leave in the name of Jesus, and most of the time, they go.
You command them and they go. Where do they go?

And the things I want, I CALL IN, and call it in, and call it in, in the name of Jesus, and it comes, because God said it would in His word.
Which Jesus said that, the one you commanded?

Sounds like you have him trained with all the personal pronouns ... I can, I have power, I don’t ask God, I command them to leave, I want, I CALL IN.

Reminded me of another..

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isa 14:14

Jesus said, "And these signs will follow them that believe... what is written."
Believe what that is written?

You drink poison and walked into a hospital and healed everyone by commanding the sickness to leave?

I would guess you fall back when another places their hand on your head to show you are slain in the spirit also. Do you speak in an unknown language as proof you have the Holy Spirit other wise you have no confidence ?

Which also mean, 'these signs will NOT follow those who do not believe what is written'.
Are you a snake charmer?

Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
 
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Notice the separation between faith and hope? They are two different words with separate meanings. And the biblical meaning of hope is different than that of most who say they're just a hopin and a prayin. If receiving one's salvation was like that of a genuine healing, to where you had to experience it in the natural, the churches would be practically empty. But because you don't have to experience anything, you have many wolves in sheep's clothing among the sheep, or tares among the wheat, who claim to be a believer, but prevent or deny the power of God from operating in their lives.
Experience is not the validator of spiritual truth. Satan gave Christ one of those what some call out of the body experiences and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and all the glory without moving one inch in the sand. It what demons do bring in signs and lying wonders.. He would of been out of His mind to believe.

Its one faith, as the work of one God, the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith. The one hope that comes from that same one faith, the hope of Christ, according to His one labor of love. No room to boast there.

Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Yes through the Spirit who gives us the patience to wait. Patience is the first fruit of His Spirit. It is not of our own selves, the hope is of Christ’s righteousness by the faith of God..No room for boasting,but plenty for a humble and contrite heart.




Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
As the faith of Christ works in us to both will and do His good pleasure .No room for boasting. When faith is imputed.
 
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Experience is not the validator of spiritual truth. Satan gave Christ one of those what some call out of the body experiences and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and all the glory without moving one inch in the sand. It what demons do bring in signs and lying wonders.. He would of been out of His mind to believe.

Its one faith, as the work of one God, the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith. The one hope that comes from that same one faith, the hope of Christ, according to His one labor of love. No room to boast there.



Yes through the Spirit who gives us the patience to wait. Patience is the first fruit of His Spirit. It is not of our own selves, the hope is of Christ’s righteousness by the faith of God..No room for boasting,but plenty for a humble and contrite heart.




Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
As the faith of Christ works in us to both will and do His good pleasure .No room for boasting. When faith is imputed.
Humility. What if the man is simply a realist?
 
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Not by his, either. He had help getting his act together.
 
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If you mean you, when you say "we can't faith anything in", then that might be true, but don't include me in with you. I can and have been doing so for years. I have the power of the word of God abiding in me and the authority of Jesus' name. I don't ask God to get rid of sicknesses, lumps, pains, growths, and the like, I command them to leave in the name of Jesus, and most of the time, they go. And the things I want, I CALL IN, and call it in, and call it in, in the name of Jesus, and it comes, because God said it would in His word.
Jesus said, "And these signs will follow them that believe... what is written."
Which also mean, 'these signs will NOT follow those who do not believe what is written'.
Read what I said "in context". I said you can't faith anything in that grace has not already provided for in Christ. I command things in the name of the Lord too.

Let's try your theory out then - go to Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City and heal everyone there. Go "call that in". Let's us know when you have done this great deed and "faithed it in". Actually you won't have to because we will all hear about it in the news.

I understand what you are saying and I agree to a certain point but you can't faith in what is not already done in Christ by grace. This is where the WOF people have missed it. They have a part of it and I firmly believe that God wants all His children to be well and a lot of things are not going to be manifested in and through us unless we understand our authority but Jesus is the head - we are the body. The body does not dictate to the head what to do. The head does.
 
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I think he meant Christians that walk by the faith of Christ that works in us according to His will and not of our own selves.

It seems like you have plenty to boast in.

You have the power in you or of you?



You command them and they go. Where do they go?



Which Jesus said that, the one you commanded?

Sounds like you have him trained with all the personal pronouns ... I can, I have power, I don’t ask God, I command them to leave, I want, I CALL IN.

Reminded me of another..

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isa 14:14



Believe what that is written?

You drink poison and walked into a hospital and healed everyone by commanding the sickness to leave?

I would guess you fall back when another places their hand on your head to show you are slain in the spirit also. Do you speak in an unknown language as proof you have the Holy Spirit other wise you have no confidence ?



Are you a snake charmer?

Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
They like to leave the last two off.......I have suggested a cup of bleach or Liquid Draino, but they don't seem to have that level of faith........
 
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Originally Posted by PeterJens

Man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord.
Deut 8:3

If people dwell in the word and let the word dwell in their hearts,
the Lord will bring the truth to bare.



If these words condemn you, then you are not walking in the Spirit of God but the flesh.

We are not under condemnation because we walk in the Holy Spirit.

Until you walk with an open heart, love will never reach down into you and set you free.
Ex-legalists who grew up in the church know all the theology and how to behave in a
"christian" cultural way, but know the hypocracy and lack of reality within.

I know this is not what Christ meant or intended. Our real selves is where the Holy Spirit
needs to dwell. Only you the reader know how defended you heart is. All I can say to you
my friends, there is no other way to walk with Christ than from the heart.

Do you even know your heart within, or have you always walked according to what was
expected of you? In someways I would say you need to discover yourself within, before
you can begin to know Christ within walking with you.

This is what salvation means, and why sinners who know they have failed is always the
first step to admitting before God you need him within.
why would they condem you ?
 
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I posted this on the Hebrews thread.....NOAH and the ARK is a prime example of one who has been completely cleansed by the blood of Christ....and a good point was made by another member that ONE could NOT remove themselves from the ARK...GOD closed it up and sealed it from the outside......!

MY POST
Amen and it was sealed with pitch both inside and outside.....representative of the blood of Christ completely cleansing the inside as well as the outside.........WHEN I SEE the blood I will pass over you....to say one can lose salvation denies the blood being applied eternally....they re-crucify Jesus (not happening) because paid in full means paid in full....EVERY SIN I WOULD EVER COMMIT was nailed to the cross and the RIGHTEOUSNESS of CHRIST was applied unto tome and I was born of INCORRUPTABLE SEED....those who say you can lose it, say that the INCORRUPTABLE SEED is able to be corrupted and they deny the FINISHED work of CHRIST as the LAMB who takes AWAY THE WHOLE SIN OF THE WORLD

THIS is AKIN to slapping JESUS in the face with his OWN BLOOD and saying it is not good enough.......!
 
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Experience is not the validator of spiritual truth. Satan gave Christ one of those what some call out of the body experiences and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and all the glory without moving one inch in the sand. It what demons do bring in signs and lying wonders.. He would of been out of His mind to believe.

Its one faith, as the work of one God, the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith. The one hope that comes from that same one faith, the hope of Christ, according to His one labor of love. No room to boast there.



Yes through the Spirit who gives us the patience to wait. Patience is the first fruit of His Spirit. It is not of our own selves, the hope is of Christ’s righteousness by the faith of God..No room for boasting,but plenty for a humble and contrite heart.




Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
As the faith of Christ works in us to both will and do His good pleasure .No room for boasting. When faith is imputed.
Amen to that...Peter said we have a more sure word of prophecy......
 

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If Jesus is the same yesterday, today & forever(heb 13:8),He never cease to be our Savior after dying on the cross for our justification & to destroy the devil’s work(1 john 3:8, 1cor 15:56). By saying that salvation is through faith alone, we deny that Jesus is the Word of God (rev 19:13, john 1:1-3 & 14), His Gospel/word of truth, the Holy Spirit, the hope, the full knowledge of God, His love & mercy, His faithfulness, His kindness, justice, righteousness, power & more,He who is coming again to bring salvation(heb 9:28), have no power to save man.

Can’t God save the mentally sick from birth, the little children who died young for whatever reason, the people who died before the flood & before the giving of the law and anybody else who did not have the chance to hear the Gospel of salvation? God said:/I will have mercy on whom I have mercy and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. Therefore by claiming that faith alone saves and once saved,always saved, you deny the Father & the Son & we know who does these things & how they are called in the scriptures.

1 John 2:2-6,10-11,17 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and NOT ONLY FOR OUR SINS BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD,. We know that we have come to know him if we OBEY his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but DOES NOT DO what he commands is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, GOD’S LOVE is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him MUST WALK AS JESUS DID... The world and its desires pass away, but the man who DOES THE WILL OF GOD lives forever.

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have REMAINED with us; but THEIR GOING SHOWED that none of them belonged to us. As for you, the anointing you received from him REMAINS in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, REMAIN IN HIM. And now, dear children, CONTINUE IN HIM, so that when he appears we may be confident and unashamed BEFORE HIM AT HIS COMING.

Matthew 10:22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.


Luke 8:12-15 Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.

1 Corinthians 15:2 By this GOSPEL you are saved, if you HOLD FIRMLY to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have BELIEVED IN VAIN.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 Stand Firm But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you TO BE SAVED THROUGH THE SANCTIFYING WORK OF THE SPIRIT AND THROUGH BELIEF IN THE TRUTH.


Titus 3:7-11 so that, having been JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE, we might become heirs HAVING THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to DEVOTE themselves TO DOING what is GOOD. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone. But AVOID FOOLISH CONTROVERSIES and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; HE IS SELF-CONDEMNED.

Hebrews 10:23-24,29-31 Let us hold unswervingly to the HOPE we profess, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that SANCTIFIED HIM, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hebrews 10:36,38-39 You need to PERSEVERE so that when you have DONE THE WILL OF GOD, you WILL RECEIVE what he has promised. But my righteous one will live by faith. And iIF HE SHRINKS BACK, I will not be pleased with him.” But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.

Hebrews 6:4-6 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

2 Peter 2:20-22 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are AGAIN ENTANGLED IN IT AND OVERCOME, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.”
 
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If Jesus is the same yesterday, today & forever(heb 13:8),He never cease to be our Savior after dying on the cross for our justification & to destroy the devil’s work(1 john 3:8, 1cor 15:56).
Yes, Jesus never stops being our Savior, that is where our assurance comes from.

By saying that salvation is through faith alone, we deny that Jesus is the Word of God (rev 19:13, john 1:1-3 & 14)
How is having faith in Jesus Christ alone a denial that Jesus is the Word of God??
 

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Yes, Jesus never stops being our Savior, that is where our assurance comes from.



How is having faith in Jesus Christ alone a denial that Jesus is the Word of God??
The Word is a spirit that gives life (john 6:63, 1cor, 15:45) so by saying that faith alone saves, you deny the saving power of the Word which is God(john 1:1-3 & 14) who is our Savior yesterday, today & forever and His salvation does not stop on the cross otherwise since all were saved that day then we make Him a liar who said that it is appointed for man to die and after that, to face judgment. In fact our Lord Jesus is coming again not to bear sin but to bring salvation.(heb 9:28)
 

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I posted this on the Hebrews thread.....NOAH and the ARK is a prime example of one who has been completely cleansed by the blood of Christ....and a good point was made by another member that ONE could NOT remove themselves from the ARK...GOD closed it up and sealed it from the outside......!

MY POST
Amen and it was sealed with pitch both inside and outside.....representative of the blood of Christ completely cleansing the inside as well as the outside.........WHEN I SEE the blood I will pass over you....to say one can lose salvation denies the blood being applied eternally....they re-crucify Jesus (not happening) because paid in full means paid in full....EVERY SIN I WOULD EVER COMMIT was nailed to the cross and the RIGHTEOUSNESS of CHRIST was applied unto tome and I was born of INCORRUPTABLE SEED....those who say you can lose it, say that the INCORRUPTABLE SEED is able to be corrupted and they deny the FINISHED work of CHRIST as the LAMB who takes AWAY THE WHOLE SIN OF THE WORLD

THIS is AKIN to slapping JESUS in the face with his OWN BLOOD and saying it is not good enough.......!
Yes, I saw that post on that thread - and I will say the same thing here as I did there.

I will politely choose to disagree. :)
 
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FreeNChrist

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The Word is a spirit that gives life (john 6:63, 1cor, 15:45) so by saying that faith alone saves, you deny the saving power of the Word which is God(john 1:1-3 & 14) who is our Savior yesterday, today & forever and His salvation does not stop on the cross otherwise since all were saved that day then we make Him a liar who said that it is appointed for man to die and after that, to face judgment. In fact our Lord Jesus is coming again not to bear sin but to bring salvation.(heb 9:28)
It seems you are missing Jesus Christ, who is the Word, and who is the object of our Christian faith.
 
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Yes, Jesus never stops being our Savior, that is where our assurance comes from.



How is having faith in Jesus Christ alone a denial that Jesus is the Word of God??

Exactly and it is not.....to answer both points..........
 
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Yes, I saw that post on that thread - and I will say the same thing here as I did there.

I will politely choose to disagree. :)

that's alright....you can be polite...does not change the fact that my point is valid and true though.....too bad your missing the mark HAH
 
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It seems you are missing Jesus Christ, who is the Word, and who is the object of our Christian faith.
AMEN...Just think...Paul said that if he was going to glory he would glory in the cross of Christ. NOT-->

1) works
2) baptism
3) sacraments
4) church membership or affiliation
5) adherence to the law
6) tongues or spiritual gifts
etc....

It is all about the CROSS and trusting into the faith and work of JESUS....to add anything = a false gospel with no power to save......!
 
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The Word is a spirit that gives life (john 6:63, 1cor, 15:45) so by saying that faith alone saves, you deny the saving power of the Word which is God(john 1:1-3 & 14) who is our Savior yesterday, today & forever and His salvation does not stop on the cross otherwise since all were saved that day then we make Him a liar who said that it is appointed for man to die and after that, to face judgment. In fact our Lord Jesus is coming again not to bear sin but to bring salvation.(heb 9:28)
JESUS is the WORD.............THE word CAME to be flesh and dwelt AMONG US......wake up!
 

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Are you a snake charmer?

Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
No, but I believe I can spot some serpents on this forum.