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The Family of Hosea
2 When the Lord began to speak by Hosea, the Lord said to Hosea:
“Go, take yourself a wife of harlotry
And children of harlotry,
For the land has committed great [a]harlotry
By departing from the Lord.”
3 So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim, and she conceived and bore him a son. 4 Then the Lord said to him:
“Call his name Jezreel,
For in a little while
I will avenge the bloodshed of Jezreel on the house of Jehu,
And bring an end to the kingdom of the house of Israel.
5 It shall come to pass in that day
That I will break the bow of Israel in the Valley of Jezreel.”
6 And she conceived again and bore a daughter. Then God said to him:
“Call her name [b]Lo-Ruhamah,
For I will no longer have mercy on the house of Israel,
[c]But I will utterly take them away.
7 Yet I will have mercy on the house of Judah,
Will save them by the Lord their God,
And will not save them by bow,
Nor by sword or battle,
By horses or horsemen.”
8 Now when she had weaned Lo-Ruhamah, she conceived and bore a son. 9 Then God said:
“Call his name [d]Lo-Ammi,
For you are not My people,
And I will not be your God.
2 When the Lord began to speak by Hosea, the Lord said to Hosea:
“Go, take yourself a wife of harlotry
And children of harlotry,
For the land has committed great [a]harlotry
By departing from the Lord.”
3 So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim, and she conceived and bore him a son. 4 Then the Lord said to him:
“Call his name Jezreel,
For in a little while
I will avenge the bloodshed of Jezreel on the house of Jehu,
And bring an end to the kingdom of the house of Israel.
5 It shall come to pass in that day
That I will break the bow of Israel in the Valley of Jezreel.”
6 And she conceived again and bore a daughter. Then God said to him:
“Call her name [b]Lo-Ruhamah,
For I will no longer have mercy on the house of Israel,
[c]But I will utterly take them away.
7 Yet I will have mercy on the house of Judah,
Will save them by the Lord their God,
And will not save them by bow,
Nor by sword or battle,
By horses or horsemen.”
8 Now when she had weaned Lo-Ruhamah, she conceived and bore a son. 9 Then God said:
“Call his name [d]Lo-Ammi,
For you are not My people,
And I will not be your God.
Of course believers who believed some time in the past and who still have that belief, which does not have to be repeated, enter in.
It's unbelievers who never believed, or who quit believing that don't enter in.
Review the Perfect tense again carefully. It's a past action that does not need to be repeated. Not a past action whose effect can not be undone. Only those who have the completed action of believing and still have it will enter into the kingdom of God.
From Strong's online concordance:
In Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in English, and describes an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated. Jesus' last cry from the cross, TETELESTAI ("It is finished!") is a good example of the perfect tense used in this sense, namely "It [the atonement] has been accomplished, completely, once and for all time." Certain antiquated verb forms in Greek, such as those related to seeing (eidw) or knowing (oida) will use the perfect tense in a manner equivalent to the normal past tense. These few cases are exception to the normal rule and do not alter the normal connotation of the perfect tense stated above.
Don't read that the effects of 'once for all time' will last forever just because the example used is the work of Christ that is complete and does not need to be repeated. As I say, it is the lasting application of that which is perfect and complete that is in question for the one who has believed in the past, not the efficacy of that which the believing is based on. You have to still have the believing you started out in to have the completed past, and not needing to be repeated, work of Christ applied to you.
It's unbelievers who never believed, or who quit believing that don't enter in.
Review the Perfect tense again carefully. It's a past action that does not need to be repeated. Not a past action whose effect can not be undone. Only those who have the completed action of believing and still have it will enter into the kingdom of God.
From Strong's online concordance:
In Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in English, and describes an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated. Jesus' last cry from the cross, TETELESTAI ("It is finished!") is a good example of the perfect tense used in this sense, namely "It [the atonement] has been accomplished, completely, once and for all time." Certain antiquated verb forms in Greek, such as those related to seeing (eidw) or knowing (oida) will use the perfect tense in a manner equivalent to the normal past tense. These few cases are exception to the normal rule and do not alter the normal connotation of the perfect tense stated above.
Don't read that the effects of 'once for all time' will last forever just because the example used is the work of Christ that is complete and does not need to be repeated. As I say, it is the lasting application of that which is perfect and complete that is in question for the one who has believed in the past, not the efficacy of that which the believing is based on. You have to still have the believing you started out in to have the completed past, and not needing to be repeated, work of Christ applied to you.
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Until you can show this in scripture, it's only your once saved always saved biased opinion. Really.
And I showed you conclusively that Hebrews 3:6 & 14 can not be interpreted to defend that assertion.
Then you do really mean the fake believer has to physically leave, not just be an unbeliever, to show they never really believed.
And I showed you conclusively that Hebrews 3:6 & 14 can not be interpreted to defend that assertion.
Then you do really mean the fake believer has to physically leave, not just be an unbeliever, to show they never really believed.
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The LORD said to me, “Go, show your love to your wife again, though she is loved by another man and is an adulteress. Love her as the LORD loves the Israelites, though they turn to other gods and love the sacred raisin cakes.” 2 So I bought her for fifteen shekelsa of silver and about a homer and a lethekb of barley. 3 Then I told her, “You are to live with me many days; you must not be a prostitute or be intimate with any man, and I will behave the same way toward you.” 4 For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or household gods. 5 Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days.
Fast forward to the end of the book....
Hosea 14 King James Version (KJV)
14 O israel, return unto the Lord thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.
2 Take with you words, and turn to the Lord: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
3 Asshur shall not save us; we will not ride upon horses: neither will we say any more to the work of our hands, Ye are our gods: for in thee the fatherless findeth mercy.
4 I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
5 I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon.
6 His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon.
7 They that dwell under his shadow shall return; they shall revive as the corn, and grow as the vine: the scent thereof shall be as the wine of Lebanon.
8 Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found.
9 Who is wise, and he shall understand these things? prudent, and he shall know them? for the ways of the Lord are right, and the just shall walk in them: but the transgressors shall fall therein.
Hosea 14 King James Version (KJV)
14 O israel, return unto the Lord thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.
2 Take with you words, and turn to the Lord: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
3 Asshur shall not save us; we will not ride upon horses: neither will we say any more to the work of our hands, Ye are our gods: for in thee the fatherless findeth mercy.
4 I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
5 I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon.
6 His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon.
7 They that dwell under his shadow shall return; they shall revive as the corn, and grow as the vine: the scent thereof shall be as the wine of Lebanon.
8 Ephraim shall say, What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard him, and observed him: I am like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found.
9 Who is wise, and he shall understand these things? prudent, and he shall know them? for the ways of the Lord are right, and the just shall walk in them: but the transgressors shall fall therein.
God is illustrating how unfaithful Israel has been. Her (Israel) sinning against the Lord is equated to an unfaithful wife who keeps cheating on her husband.
Israel keeps on going through ups and downs - sinning followed by judgement, then repentance, then mercy, then sinning, followed by judgement, followed by repentance, then mercy........and it repeats ad infinitum.
Yet because of God's covenant with Israel he doesn't cut them off completely (as a nation) because of his bigger plan for them (this goes all the way through to the end of Revelation and into Eternity. Yet those along the way have been slain. When they broke covenant with God through unrepentant sin, they were taken into captivity, both Israel and Judah. Then their voices cried out to God to deliver them in repentance, and God once again restored them. At least until they rejected Christ, at which Jerusalem fell in 70 AD.
Fast forward almost 2000 years until Israel was once again restored to its land. BUt have they come to Christ yet? Have they called upon the Messiah? No.
So Israel will once again be overrun, this time by the armies of the Antichrist. This happens just prior to the Lords return.
Israel keeps on going through ups and downs - sinning followed by judgement, then repentance, then mercy, then sinning, followed by judgement, followed by repentance, then mercy........and it repeats ad infinitum.
Yet because of God's covenant with Israel he doesn't cut them off completely (as a nation) because of his bigger plan for them (this goes all the way through to the end of Revelation and into Eternity. Yet those along the way have been slain. When they broke covenant with God through unrepentant sin, they were taken into captivity, both Israel and Judah. Then their voices cried out to God to deliver them in repentance, and God once again restored them. At least until they rejected Christ, at which Jerusalem fell in 70 AD.
Fast forward almost 2000 years until Israel was once again restored to its land. BUt have they come to Christ yet? Have they called upon the Messiah? No.
So Israel will once again be overrun, this time by the armies of the Antichrist. This happens just prior to the Lords return.
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You have not conclusively proved your argument from Hebrews 3:6 & 14 and it’s your NOSAS bias that keeps you from accepting the truth. 
Saved is saved........ it the correct and only True starting point.... God does not lie.
King James Bible
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
2 Tim 1:9
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gb9 - not just Confess as you have typed it above, but CONFESS AND FORSAKE them in order to obtain MERCY.
Proverbs 28v13
13 He who covers his sins will not prosper,
But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.
The problem arises when we dont want to forsake them. The Holy Spirit of Grace is working with us, convicting us of sin and righteousness, drawing us to Holiness. Yet you have a part to play. You have to let go of your sins. You talk about Mercy. Good. God is merciful to those who realise the error of their ways, confess their sins and forsake them.
However there are those on these forums which equate forsaking, repentance and obedience as a WORK, and as such kick against such measures. As a result, they end up in the miry clay once again because they glance over indiscretions.
Proverbs 28v13
13 He who covers his sins will not prosper,
But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.
The problem arises when we dont want to forsake them. The Holy Spirit of Grace is working with us, convicting us of sin and righteousness, drawing us to Holiness. Yet you have a part to play. You have to let go of your sins. You talk about Mercy. Good. God is merciful to those who realise the error of their ways, confess their sins and forsake them.
However there are those on these forums which equate forsaking, repentance and obedience as a WORK, and as such kick against such measures. As a result, they end up in the miry clay once again because they glance over indiscretions.
God used His prophets as object lessons for Israel. What they did illustrated what Israel did. Idolatry and apostasy were spiritual harlotry (whoredoms). And that is what was happening in Israel.
The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.
The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.
We were definitely 'made' partakers of Christ when we first had confidence in Christ. The Second Perfect tense of the verb 'made' tells us the partaking happened in the past and has continuing results, and does not need to be repeated. And the Indicative mood of the verb 'made' tells us it definitely, really did happen.
And this condition of having definitely being made partakers of Christ in the past, which does not need to be repeated, will continue IF we 'hold' fast the confidence that we held in the beginning all the way to the end. The verb "hold" is in the Aorist tense and tells us the holding of confidence is a completed action, and the Subjunctive mood of the verb 'hold' tells us this completed action of holding of confidence may or may not continue.
So, what is sure is the fact that we have been made partakers of Christ through our confidence in Christ. What's not so sure is the continuation of the completed action of our holding of the confidence we did at that time. Continuing in the sure state of having been made a partaker of Christ is conditional on you not undoing the completed action of having confidence in Christ.
Note this about the Aorist tense:
"the concept of the (Aorist) verb is considered without regard for past, present, or future time. There is no direct or clear English equivalent for this tense, though it is generally rendered as a simple past tense in most translations."
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/heb/3/1/t_conc_1136014
And...
"the aorist simply states the fact that an action has happened. It gives no information on how long it took, or whether the results are still in effect."
https://www.ezraproject.com/greek-tenses-explained/
And this condition of having definitely being made partakers of Christ in the past, which does not need to be repeated, will continue IF we 'hold' fast the confidence that we held in the beginning all the way to the end. The verb "hold" is in the Aorist tense and tells us the holding of confidence is a completed action, and the Subjunctive mood of the verb 'hold' tells us this completed action of holding of confidence may or may not continue.
So, what is sure is the fact that we have been made partakers of Christ through our confidence in Christ. What's not so sure is the continuation of the completed action of our holding of the confidence we did at that time. Continuing in the sure state of having been made a partaker of Christ is conditional on you not undoing the completed action of having confidence in Christ.
Note this about the Aorist tense:
"the concept of the (Aorist) verb is considered without regard for past, present, or future time. There is no direct or clear English equivalent for this tense, though it is generally rendered as a simple past tense in most translations."
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/heb/3/1/t_conc_1136014
And...
"the aorist simply states the fact that an action has happened. It gives no information on how long it took, or whether the results are still in effect."
https://www.ezraproject.com/greek-tenses-explained/
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