Not By Works

[PennEd]

Willful sin is a great study. Here are a few references where you could start:
* Numbers 15:27-31
* Psalm 19:13
* Hebrews 10:26

Here is the definition of "willful sin" in the first 2 passages you cite:
Numbers 15:30

Strong's Concordance
rum: to be high or exalted, rise
Original Word: רוּם
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: rum
Phonetic Spelling: (room)
Definition: to be high or exalted, rise.

Psalm 19:13

Strong's Concordance
zed: insolent, presumptuous
Original Word: זֵד
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: zed
Phonetic Spelling: (zade')
Definition: insolent, presumptuous
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from zud
Definition
insolent, presumptuous
arrogant (9), arrogant men (1), presumptuous (1), proud (2).

In BOTH instances it's the idea of arrogant, prideful, unrepentant sin that is being described.
This translation shows the true meaning of what kind of sin "willful sin" Is:

Psalm 19:
13 Keep back thy slave also from pride and arrogance; let them not have dominion over me; then I shall be perfect, and I shall be innocent of the great rebellion.

King David wrote that. He was the king of willful sin.

He watched Bathsheba naked, bathing. He thought about having sex with her. The lust grew in his heart and mind. He formulated a premeditated plan to get her husband murdered. He put his wicked plan in motion. Her husband was murdered. He faked being upset that one of his trusted, mighty men, Uriah, Bathsheba's husband, was killed in battle. He took Bathsheba and had sex with her.
A case can be made that king David willfully sinned, breaking ALL 10 commandments.

Isn't King David lost? He unequivocally SINNED WILLFULLY! He is forever cut off!
No. He isn't lost.
KING DAVID IS A MAN AFTER GOD'S OWN HEART!

King David sinned willfully, and there was grave consequences for his sin. But he did something else too. He humbled himself. Did NOT make excuses for his sin. Confessed his sin and had Godly sorrow over it.
The Lord forgave him and restored him, and a child of King David and Bathsheba is a blood descendant of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

YOU, have the entirely wrong idea of what "willful sin" is.
Please trust solely in Jesus' completed work. And if you are trusting wholely in Him, you can be sure He will NEVER fail you.

 

[Amorette]

Amor, you can't honestly expect ANYONE to give an amen to that prayer. We aren't promised an easy life. Nor are we promised a HAPPY life. God isn't going to give you a disease just because you want Him to. He helps those who help themselves, but you seem content to wallow in this pity party pit you're in. We have NO CHOICE but to push on through this life as best we can, and that includes YOU. You are only a "lost cause" if you choose to be one. Stop making the devil happy and do something to pull yourself out of this malarkey that you're spewing..

there are plenty of things i could be thankful for.
My theory exams went pretty well. My practicals are hardly some 6 days away. I feel unprepared and there is a lot to do. Yet, nothing is impossible for God. I will just push myself harder and try to strive in this world. You are right. PUSH ON! WORK HARD. STRAIN MORE. I will do that despite how i feel physically - through my headaches, body fatigue, body pain because all of this is just self pity. I won't pity my health anymore. I am glad i got some good advice. I will strive harder till my disc prolapses.

 

[NayborBear]

So it uses the Greek word harpazo (Ancient Greek: ἁρπάζω), meaning "to snatch away" or "to seize," and explains that believers in Jesus Christ will be snatched away from earth into the air.

I believe, you and many other people have been "led down the primrose lane" (should believe a lie), concerning this whole "concept of rapture, or of being seized, or snatched away (from the earth/world)", as well as how "into the air", is translated, or more precisely "mistranslated."

Let's start out with "into the air" first.
There are very many instances in the Bible, both O.T., and N.T., in "the explaining of things spiritual", when "human language/s" no matter when they were written, during the passing of years, decades, centuries, millennia, just haven't the capability of rendering correctly, "Spiritual Happenings!"

This is "by consequential design!" Ever since "the fall of Adam." When God's Spirit, would no longer "strive" with "man's spirit", when there "really" was NO NEED at all in the PRESERVING OF! As God's Spirit was "with" man's spirit! And, there really was not the "division, by means of apostasy, or falling away", against flesh FROM Spirit.

A more PRECISE "rendering" of "in the air", in this case, would be "in/with the spirit AND MIND of man!" And, NOT the "contextual literalistic" interpretation, of "in the clouds" "in the air!"

Now, this "snatching" or "seizing?" Would not be like when someone accepts Christ as their Lord and Savior. But, more like Jesus' "thief in the night" analogy of "rapture!" Inasmuch as one is in no wise EXPECTING IT!
Or? More precisely, not "ready" or prepared for the "how", let alone the "when!"
Kinda like: "I had NO IDEA, it was gonna happen "like THAT!" (UTTER BEWILDERMENT)

Isaiah 28
18 And (WHEN) your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and (WHEN) your agreement with hell shall not stand; when ((HOW) the overflowing scourge (WHAT) shall pass through, then (HOW) ye shall be trodden down by it.
19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. (UTTER BEWILDERMENT)
20 (When THIS "realization" HITS ya) For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it. (to EVERYONE....in "their" season!)

This is more like what "rapture" be "like":
Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Chris1975]

What other things

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[Melach]

there are plenty of things i could be thankful for.
My theory exams went pretty well. My practicals are hardly some 6 days away. I feel unprepared and there is a lot to do. Yet, nothing is impossible for God. I will just push myself harder and try to strive in this world. You are right. PUSH ON! WORK HARD. STRAIN MORE. I will do that despite how i feel physically - through my headaches, body fatigue, body pain because all of this is just self pity. I won't pity my health anymore. I am glad i got some good advice. I will strive harder till my disc prolapses.

i feel for you friend. if i was in india i hug you. its really hard to work through physical pain i know it i got chronic pain from my spine that is not straight but is curved abit

its great you have been able to study and do things. you are strong person i hope and pray you do good.

 

[Chris1975]

my goodness. God does not change Himself but covenants do change.
you are to circumcise everyone on the 8th day remember God changes not so get to work. if yuo dont they are removed from the people

Malachi 3v6a KJV 6 For I am the Lord, I change not;

The Law never changed. The Law was fulfilled in Christ. And heaven and earth has not passed away yet.

Matthew 5 KJV
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

[Chris1975]

But we do not when god says they never knew him. Or he never knew them or they will never hunger and thirst

Only when it suits your belief

Already answered in this thread last night.

 

[Melach]

Malachi 3v6a KJV 6 For I am the Lord, I change not;

The Law never changed. The Law was fulfilled in Christ. And heaven and earth has not passed away yet.

Matthew 5 KJV
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

so you are saying circumcision is still in effect? law is never changed? okay what about this:

Heb 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

you dont seem to know about this subject

 

[Butterflyyy]

It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Study Bible
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
He saved us, not by works in righteousness that we did, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

As if someone called 'I love the Pope' is even on here🤣🤣🤣🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Lol, why do you love the Pope??!! He is just a human being, and NOWHERE in the Bible does it tell you to love the Pope... in fact, it says to call no mere human 'Father,' for only God in Heaven is your Father- Matt 23 v9👌🙂❤️

 

[Chris1975]

Do we also take God as His word in Romans 10:1-4 and Matthew 9:13? Scripture must harmonize with scripture, so something has to give.

Well lets take this scripture by scripture. Starting with Matthew 9v13

Matthew 9
13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, [b]to repentance.”

>sinners are not righteous
>anyone in sin should REPENT
>in order to restore righteousness

Perfect harmonisation with Ezekiel 18

He didn't say: I came to forgive sinners and leave them in their sins.

The difference here (and which harmonises with Ezekiel) is that the Righteous live repentant lifestyles, not wallowing in their sins.

 

[Chris1975]

so you are saying circumcision is still in effect? law is never changed? okay what about this:

Heb 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

you dont seem to know about this subject

The law is fulfilled in Christ. We are not under the law because we are in Christ. We are considered as having fulfilled the law already:

Romans 8v3b-4
He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

 

[Chris1975]

Do we also take God as His word in Romans 10:1-4 and Matthew 9:13? Scripture must harmonize with scripture, so something has to give.

Romans 10
1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for [a]Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

- this has nothing to do with those who are righteous in Ezekiel 18.
- The righteous in Ezekiel 18 turned from their righteousness. They WERE RIGHTEOUS BUT TURNED TO WICKEDNESS and now they are under penalty.
- The righteousness of those mentioned above in Romans 10 are the ones who think salvation can be earned by fulfilling the law in their own strength. You have no need to mix the two scenarios to fit your doctrine.

 

[oyster67]

Do we also take God as His word in Romans 10:1-4 and Matthew 9:13? Scripture must harmonize with scripture, so something has to give.

These verses do not contradict anything. We all know about the importance of Jesus' Atonement and how we are living under a new and better way. We all understand that we are saved by trusting in the blood and not our own works. We are to strive to be holy, but we all agree that this is not the root source of our salvation. Why muddy the waters for those who are truly seeking?

 

[DoY]

Mortal sins is a Roman Catholic doctrine... this weighting of sins does not exist in scripture.

Thank you for your response.
I wasn't referring to the Catholic doctrine of "mortal and venial sin"

Sound doctrine can only be found in Scripture, not religious commentaries.

Allow me to clarify: Scripture lists many sins which "ALL/EVERYONE" who practices those will NOT inherit the kingdom or have eternal life. It is dangerous to teach gullible young believers that you just have to "believe" and then it's ok to go on sinning. Stumbling and continuous enmity with sin is part of the Christian walk, however it should no longer be a lifestyle of choice, and we should certainly not be complacent in it. Repentance is not a mere mental thought, it is a physical turning around, moving away from sin.

Let's look only at what the Bible says?
John 5:1-15, 8:11 - Jesus said: "Go and sin no more"
1 John 5:16-17 - There is "sin that leads to death"
Matthew 12:31 - Unforgivable sin
Mark 9:47 - If your eye causes you to sin, tear it out..... It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye that with two eyes to be thrown into hell.
Ephesians 5:5 - Everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, covetous, has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
1 Cor 6:9-10 - The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom (sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, thieves, greedy, drunkards, verbal abusers, swindlers, etc.)
Rev 21:8 - The cowardly, detestable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars will be in the lake of fire, the second death
Galatians 5:19-21 - works of the flesh are listed (those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God)
Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father

Revelation 22:14-15
(14) Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. (15) But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

 

[Chris1975]

Thank you for your response.
I wasn't referring to the Catholic doctrine of "mortal and venial sin"

Sound doctrine can only be found in Scripture, not religious commentaries.

Allow me to clarify: Scripture lists many sins which "ALL/EVERYONE" who practices those will NOT inherit the kingdom or have eternal life. It is dangerous to teach gullible young believers that you just have to "believe" and then it's ok to go on sinning. Stumbling and continuous enmity with sin is part of the Christian walk, however it should no longer be a lifestyle of choice, and we should certainly not be complacent in it. Repentance is not a mere mental thought, it is a physical turning around, moving away from sin.

Let's look only at what the Bible says?
John 5:1-15, 8:11 - Jesus said: "Go and sin no more"
1 John 5:16-17 - There is "sin that leads to death"
Matthew 12:31 - Unforgivable sin
Mark 9:47 - If your eye causes you to sin, tear it out..... It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye that with two eyes to be thrown into hell.
Ephesians 5:5 - Everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, covetous, has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
1 Cor 6:9-10 - The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom (sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, thieves, greedy, drunkards, verbal abusers, swindlers, etc.)
Rev 21:8 - The cowardly, detestable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars will be in the lake of fire, the second death
Galatians 5:19-21 - works of the flesh are listed (those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God)
Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father

Revelation 22:14-15
(14) Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. (15) But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

Straightforward.

 

[DoY]

I think you have not understood "willful sin"... most all sin is willful.

I encourage you to study Numbers 15 and the rest of Scripture on this matter.
There exist a clear delineation between presumptuous sin and sin committed in ignorance.

 

[DoY]

The law is fulfilled in Christ. We are not under the law because we are in Christ. We are considered as having fulfilled the law already:

Revelation 22:14-15
Blessed are those who do His commandments,
that they may have the right to the tree of life,
and may enter through the gates into the city.
But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers
and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.​

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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He answered that question. As for me. A believer would have to do a lot of study to learn what every possible sin he could ever commit. So I doubt it’s even possible. As for sins he knows. That should already have taken place

 

[Chris1975]

He answered that question. As for me. A believer would have to do a lot of study to learn what every possible sin he could ever commit. So I doubt it’s even possible. As for sins he knows. That should already have taken place

So the answer then is - "No" ?

 

[DoY]

I think he was trying to get you to,study 1 john

if you did, you would know people:who leave were never saved to begin with,

their faith (or lack of) never produced salvation

Gods children don’t lose free will, they just understood their fate apart from Christ, and would never freely chose to reject the one who saved them.

Sadly, I've seen this reasoning pop up only when this doctrine is challenged by Scripture. Teaching "eternal security" without the complete message is irresponsible. The dangerous risk is that it confuses new believers into complacency. I used to be one of those deceived. Praise God for opening my eyes to the truth of His pure Word in context, instead of single verses to confirm an incomplete man-made bias.

Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar,
and the truth is not in him.
But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him.
By this we know that we are in Him.
He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
(1 John 2:3-6)​