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Melach said:
im not missing it i quoted it. i agree with it. those who believe in Jesus and Him who sent Him are saved. eazy. what part of it im missing?
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For how long should you believe in Jesus and follow him? A few days? A couple of years, or all your life?

Luk 9:62 Jesus told him, "No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God."

Heb 10:38 but my righteous one will live by faith, and if he turns back, my soul will take no pleasure in him."
 
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EleventhHour said:
Not all classical music is sad.... Tchaikovsky and the 1812 Overture comes to mind.
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im listening to the 1812 overture now its like a marching band type of thing. i like this type of classical music give me more examples. i know not all is sad but all i found in those classical compilations was just something to make me sit in a corner and cry really

i come from listening to gucci mane and boosie and 50cent you know so classical is hard leap for me to make. but im trying to make it because i know all those rappers are working for satan to destroy the next generation with promoting drugs gangs and violence and fornication.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I never made it to the end because the beginning was wrong

And no. We do not agree because of that
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Do you find agreement hard?
You called me wrong without context, as if I would take this well and know what you meant.
Not sure I know this combative approach to sharing Gods truth and our life in Christ.
 
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Melach said:
im listening to the 1812 overture now its like a marching band type of thing. i like this type of classical music give me more examples. i know not all is sad but all i found in those classical compilations was just something to make me sit in a corner and cry really

i come from listening to gucci mane and boosie and 50cent you know so classical is hard leap for me to make. but im trying to make it because i know all those rappers are working for satan to destroy the next generation with promoting drugs gangs and violence and fornication.
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Rap music for the most part is a den of iniquity for sure.
Okay let me think....but I can tell you this once you start listening to classical music.... rap will seem like a joke.
 
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PS said:
For how long should you believe in Jesus and follow him? A few days? A couple of years, or all your life?

Luk 9:62 Jesus told him, "No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God."

Heb 10:38 but my righteous one will live by faith, and if he turns back, my soul will take no pleasure in him."
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all my life really i dont plan on stopping believing. even when i was in worst situations or beef wtih other christians i always pray.

i pray every day so i dont go a single day without prayer because i just cant do it. i already know Jesus resurrected so i cant not believe in it. i dont operate on just belief anymore its knowledge for real. its just as sure to me that Jesus resurrected as that my mother exists.

only way i stop belief in Jesus is if i get alzheimer later in life and forget i was believer, or if some head trauma comes and i forget. even if someone proved to me the bible wasnt 100% true it wuoldnt shake my faith because the resurrection still happened even if bible writers were proven wrong on something. even if i saw a guy called Jesus on this earth the fake muslim version of Jesus do some miracles in front of me i wouldnt believe it because i know next time Jesus is coming in clouds and all eyes see Him.
 
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Melach said:
all my life really i dont plan on stopping believing. even when i was in worst situations or beef wtih other christians i always pray.

i pray every day so i dont go a single day without prayer because i just cant do it. i already know Jesus resurrected so i cant not believe in it. i dont operate on just belief anymore its knowledge for real. its just as sure to me that Jesus resurrected as that my mother exists.

only way i stop belief in Jesus is if i get alzheimer later in life and forget i was believer, or if some head trauma comes and i forget. even if someone proved to me the bible wasnt 100% true it wuoldnt shake my faith because the resurrection still happened even if bible writers were proven wrong on something. even if i saw a guy called Jesus on this earth the fake muslim version of Jesus do some miracles in front of me i wouldnt believe it because i know next time Jesus is coming in clouds and all eyes see Him.
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So why are people getting upset? This only applies to those who lose faith in God.
 
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JohnW34 said:
Do you find agreement hard?
You called me wrong without context, as if I would take this well and know what you meant.
Not sure I know this combative approach to sharing Gods truth and our life in Christ.
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JohnW34 said:
James is talking about the imperishable seed will always show itself, else it is dead.
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the bolded part is wrong James never made any such comment
 
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EleventhHour said:
This was supposed to funny @Lightskin ...unless you know a song with really, really masculine lyrics.... clean lyrics that is?
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You’re definitely funny, and a cool chick at that. You don’t need masculine lyrics; the way you handle worker bees with the truth is totally masculine. 💪😎
 
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So why are people getting upset? This only applies to those who lose faith in God.
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Because people are mad at you mocking the cross and attacking everyone who places their hope in Christ
 
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Lightskin said:
You’re definitely funny, and a cool chick at that. You don’t need masculine lyrics; the way you handle worker bees with the truth is totally masculine. 💪😎
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As long as God is cool with my masculine side..LOL.....then I will continue!
 
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John 11:25
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;

Rom 3:25-26
God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished--he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

Jesus the atoning sacrifice removed the need for sacrifices for sin in the temple.
Sacrifices existed to cleanse the believer from sin.

But to fulfil ones walk of faith, you still had to obey.
Is the proposition obedience is irrelevant now, because we are perfect and forgiven?

But if our problem between us and God is our behaviour, is our behaviour does not change are we not lost?

Rom 8:2
because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

2 Tim 2:19
Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
the bolded part is wrong James never made any such comment
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Interesting.

"James is talking about the imperishable seed will always show itself, else it is dead."

James 2:17
faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

Faith is the imperishable seed in the heart, a gift of God, shows itself by action, else it is dead.
I hope this connection is not too hard to make.

Do you think the Holy Spirit dwelling in the heart of a believer will keep silent?
 
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PS said:
For goodness sake. We would not be warned about the dangers of making a shipwreck of our faith if it could not happen.
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This is why "in the wisdom of man" OSAS'ers combine the "gift of salvation", and the "gift of the Holy Spirit" with the "gifts and Calling" of God that are irrevocable.
Two SEPARATE topics!
Then, go about living their lives under the "FLASE belief", that "love covers EVERY SIN!" WHICH it DOESN'T!
Which "places" undeveloped "fruit of the Spirit" here:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Which is the "same" as a vineyard that only produces ONE GRAPE per cluster! :cry:

Is it any wonder then christendom embraces that which is abominable in the "eyes of God?"

And, that goes beyond LGBT, as much as it includes it!

Kinda puts the verse "judge not, lest ye be judged" in a "different" light don't it?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Enough to completely save that which is lost
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Is not the cross the atoning sacrifice for sins?

Without the cross nothing could happen in the eternal, but it is door that opens the Kingdom, but is not God himself or the anointing of the Holy Spirit, or the walk on the way, or the works of the believer, or the growth and maturity of Gods people.

Surely you are not suggesting the cross does everything, when clearly we are called to so much, and given so much to achieve, along with warnings about failure to apply these gifts appropriately?

2 Thess 1:11
Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:

Matt 10:38-39
anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

I wonder if one view can be held so firmly, the words of another mean nothing and are not even read.
If no servant or follower or respondent was ever rejected, then automatic acceptance could be possible.
 
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NayborBear said:
This is why "in the wisdom of man" OSAS'ers combine the "gift of salvation", and the "gift of the Holy Spirit" with the "gifts and Calling" of God that are irrevocable.
Two SEPARATE topics!
Then, go about living their lives under the "FLASE belief", that "love covers EVERY SIN!" WHICH it DOESN'T!
Which "places" undeveloped "fruit of the Spirit" here:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Which is the "same" as a vineyard that only produces ONE GRAPE per cluster! :cry:

Is it any wonder then christendom embraces that which is abominable in the "eyes of God?"

And, that goes beyond LGBT, as much as it includes it!

Kinda puts the verse "judge not, lest ye be judged" in a "different" light don't it?
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Can you tell me one thing who is your teacher... is it Jesse Morrell?
You sound a lot like him.
 
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JohnW34 said:
Interesting.

"James is talking about the imperishable seed will always show itself, else it is dead."

James 2:17
faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

Faith is the imperishable seed in the heart, a gift of God, shows itself by action, else it is dead.
I hope this connection is not too hard to make.

Do you think the Holy Spirit dwelling in the heart of a believer will keep silent?
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James is talking about those who claim they had faith but are decieved

He is not talkin about continual works required to keep salvation
 
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