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I think you are not reading my words rightly.
I said James is talking about those who claimed faith but do not have the imperishable seed or truly being born again.
James is saying if God is in you, it will show in good works, or else it cannot be Jesus. It is simply to answer those who wish to force their theology and lifestyle on to others, without knowing the truth of the Kingdom within.
I said James is talking about those who claimed faith but do not have the imperishable seed or truly being born again.
James is saying if God is in you, it will show in good works, or else it cannot be Jesus. It is simply to answer those who wish to force their theology and lifestyle on to others, without knowing the truth of the Kingdom within.
Matthew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
You do see that "fruit" is plural there, doncha?
Isaiah 28
8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Hebrews 6
Therefore moving beyond the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto Spiritual maturity; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
You do see that "fruit" is plural there, doncha?
Isaiah 28
8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Hebrews 6
Therefore moving beyond the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto Spiritual maturity; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Again you are not reading what I wrote. I am asking a question about consequences.
The curtain was torn in two, so we could now become temples of the Holy Spirit.
This is salvation, walking in the Kingdom, going from death to life.
It is possible to lose the picture, goes too fuzzy.
You seem to agree unless spiritually this is a reality, one is not saved, Amen.
You cannot work for or earn this reality. Or are you saying something else?
You seem very quick to condemn me and judge me as having no understanding of the law.
Is it possible to go from understanding it all to no understanding in a blink or is this a problem of language?
The curtain was torn in two, so we could now become temples of the Holy Spirit.
This is salvation, walking in the Kingdom, going from death to life.
It is possible to lose the picture, goes too fuzzy.
You seem to agree unless spiritually this is a reality, one is not saved, Amen.
You cannot work for or earn this reality. Or are you saying something else?
You seem very quick to condemn me and judge me as having no understanding of the law.
Is it possible to go from understanding it all to no understanding in a blink or is this a problem of language?
I agree some were believers, while James is saying some are not and need to get right with God.
James had faith that the unbelievers could be saved
James 5:19-20
My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
James had faith that the unbelievers could be saved
James 5:19-20
My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
James is saying what I would now say, works are a sign of life, not quantity. Get the focus wrong and you end up trying prove something that cannot be earnt, either you dwell in Jesus or you do not.
As Paul said
2 Cor 13:5-6
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?
And I trust that you will discover that we have not failed the test.
Some have discovered they assumed they knew Jesus and found they did not, repented, humbled themselves and Christ dwelt in them. This is not our ministry, we can but share our faith, and God provides the fruit. Amen
As Paul said
2 Cor 13:5-6
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?
And I trust that you will discover that we have not failed the test.
Some have discovered they assumed they knew Jesus and found they did not, repented, humbled themselves and Christ dwelt in them. This is not our ministry, we can but share our faith, and God provides the fruit. Amen
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How miraculous and beautiful and powerful to be born of water and the Spirit today!
As it is written, “The wind blows wherever it pleases - you hear the sound of it but cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
The necessity of the Headship of Jesus Christ made effective through the Holy Spirit. He did indeed come to baptize us with the Holy Spirit, the One by whom the sins of God are being led today. Yes, the Kingdom of God is a matter of righteousness, peace and joy for us IN the Holy Spirit.
Praise the Lord.
As it is written, “The wind blows wherever it pleases - you hear the sound of it but cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
The necessity of the Headship of Jesus Christ made effective through the Holy Spirit. He did indeed come to baptize us with the Holy Spirit, the One by whom the sins of God are being led today. Yes, the Kingdom of God is a matter of righteousness, peace and joy for us IN the Holy Spirit.
Praise the Lord.
Have never heard of this guy!
But? Methinks I "see" what yer saying.
He "hammers away" on the streets to people concerning the Gospel of Christ?
I "hammer away" "to the church" (called out ones), concerning the "everlasting Gospel."
Which "moves beyond" the principle doctrines of Christ, towards Spiritual maturity.
Same "anointing?"
Different "target."
1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that ANY man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
But, as far as the "teacher" I was led to in "getting to 1 John 2:27?"
But? Methinks I "see" what yer saying.
He "hammers away" on the streets to people concerning the Gospel of Christ?
I "hammer away" "to the church" (called out ones), concerning the "everlasting Gospel."
Which "moves beyond" the principle doctrines of Christ, towards Spiritual maturity.
Same "anointing?"
Different "target."
1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that ANY man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
But, as far as the "teacher" I was led to in "getting to 1 John 2:27?"
Know what? God is even bigger then the box you have put Him in! 
I do not put GOD in a Box, not even the Box we call time. HIS Omnipresence, involves every cubic inch of Space itself, and Even every second of TIME as we know it, all at the same time.
Now my turn to ask a question. Do you BELIEVE the Deity of JESUS is GOD HIMSELF ?
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