Not By Works

[CherieR]

You will know you have the gift of tongues when you are speaking a real human (foreign) language that you do not know.

Would this require someone who knows the language to find out?

 

[EleventhHour]

Would this require someone who knows the language to find out?

The person listening would know if the words have meaning and if it is intelligible speech.

 

[VCO]

You will know you have the gift of tongues when you are speaking a real human (foreign) language that you do not know.

I have a study on the supposed Gift of Tongues, that is Very Eye Opening.

I had to break it up into 9 Segments, because it is a Lengthy Study, but very Thorough.

Hear is the Sight for this "A Non-Charismatic Understanding of TONGUES":

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/a-non-charismatic-understanding-of-tongues.184020/

 

[PS]

Would this require someone who knows the language to find out?

My understanding is that it is a message from God in a heavenly language.

 

[EleventhHour]

My understanding is that it is a message from God in a heavenly language.

Yes I know all about it.... not a heavenly language, Paul was using hyperbole, exaggeration to make a point.

1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a ringing gong or a clanging cymbal.
1 Cor 13:1

 

[EleventhHour]

The Pentecostal Church was the first church. The church of the apostles.

You belong to a church of the last days that we are warned about.

Gee, I thought the Roman Catholic laid claim to this status.

 

[PS]

I have a study on the supposed Gift of Tongues, that is Very Eye Opening.

I had to break it up into 9 Segments, because it is a Lengthy Study, but very Thorough.

Hear is the Sight for this "A Non-Charismatic Understanding of TONGUES":

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/a-non-charismatic-understanding-of-tongues.184020/

I mentioned recently that I had been fortunate enough to identify Robin of Loxley, also known as Robin Hood. Over the years I have read pages of material from professors and academics, all highly acclaimed in their own field of expertise, Professor Holt perhaps being the one most people have heard of. How anyone can write about an unknown person is beyond me, nobody knew who he was or even if he existed, never mind publishing books and papers about him. Anyway, he has been identified and every word they ever wrote was false. This is similar.

 

[EleventhHour]

Actually it does.

As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is what he promised us—eternal life. - 1 John 2:24-25

Please don't make this another scripture that doesn't really mean what it says.

How about this you come to the right conclusion that saved means saved, and the God gives eternal life when a person believes and is
they are born from above... one belief in the Jesus the object of said faith who keeps his promises.

Then maybe then you would be not make scripture state something it does not actually mean.

Three times in 2:24 John mentions the term “abide" to the true doctrine of Jesus Christ to enable them to abide in fellowship with God. Such faithfulness enables us to continue to abide in fellowship with God. Again, abiding refers to remaining or continuing in intimate fellowship God.

Sad all you can see are warnings about losing salvation (does not exist) .... which means you miss the greater bulk of the truth.
Basic concept "abide" is not about maintaining salvation.

 

[EleventhHour]

@PS you put a red X on this post https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4147297 a clear description of everything you and others do

by @dcontroversal....... I would really like you to refute it step by step.

I 'll be waiting

 

[star]

The "church" is the Body of Christ, not a denomination nor a building. If one belongs to Christ, they are part of the church.

 

[BillG]

After about sixty years of waiting, it is possible.

What took you so long

 

[VCO]

Yes I know all about it.... not a heavenly language, Paul was using hyperbole, exaggeration to make a point.

1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a ringing gong or a clanging cymbal.
1 Cor 13:1

YES, he is NOT saying that Angels have a special languages of their own, all he is emphasizing, when Angels spoke to men, they had a eloquence, and they had an BOLDNESS, as ONE WHO SPEAKS FROM THEE AUTHORITY, that it commanded attention. So even with that, without LOVE, it is just a BIG NOISE.

 

[dcontroversal]

@PS you put a red X on this post https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4147297 a clear description of everything you and others do

by @dcontroversal....... I would really like you to refute it step by step.

I 'll be waiting

They cannot refute it because that is exactly what they do.............and they will find out soon enough that their cafe blend false gospels had no power to save therir souls......

 

[dcontroversal]

There is a new deception going on, workers are trying to use then”stop believing” argument to support their work for salvation gospel.

there are serious people who believe that if you no longer want your salvation, God will not force you to keep it, and these people will end up lost. However. When you talk to them, they will never talk of ones character, how musty the person sins, or any other thing, they truly believe the sin issue was removed. They just believe God is a loving God and if one of his kids change their mind he will not force them

i disagree with them, but then again, neither of us believe that person is saved. The difference is I believe they were never saved to begin with.

many of these brothers and sisters I have fellowship with, because many go to my church, and I know some are here in CC with us.

as for these other types. They mock these believers by claiming to be just like them (if you stop believing you will lose salvation) because when you get down to it, they speak constantly of sin, lack of obedience, of falling away, of backsliding, things which are terms used by those who work for salvation, which is completely different for. Saying a child went to God, said here God I no longer want this, thank you, but no thank you. They did not fall away, backslide, anything, they just gave it back

be careful these workers who are using this new term and denying they reject Grace,

AMEN and NO MATTER how they slice and dice...that particular view absolutely calls JESUS a liar.......THEY absolutely reject JESUS finishing and completing the work of faith in us....
JESUS -->begins, finishes completes the work of faith in us

The Liars ----> JESUS begins, does not finish, does not complete the work of faith in us, we MUST maintain FAITH

They are deceivers and what they peddle devalues JESUS, his promises and is sickening and IMV is akin to saying JESUS is not GOD.....

 

[dcontroversal]

I guess I am part of the red x brigade now

Red x's from PLAY STATION with a broken controller = jack!!!!

He will be red x'ed by JESUS

 

[dcontroversal]

The Pentecostal Church was the first church. The church of the apostles.

You belong to a church of the last days that we are warned about.

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH this is hilariously sad.....and reeks of a complete lack of understanding....!!

 

[VCO]

The "church" is the Body of Christ, not a denomination nor a building. If one belongs to Christ, they are part of the church.

Do you know that the word CHURCH was not in the Bible at all, it was added to the definition of ekklêsia about 200 A.D., because that was what congregations were calling themselves.

HERE IS THE WORD THAT JESUS AND THE DISCIPLES ACTUALLY USED:

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
18 `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;

Yes the word actually means ASSEMBLY, the EXACT SAME WORD, that HE called the O.T. ASSEMBLY.

O.T. ASSEMBLY - The True Believers of the O.T. Times, Believed GOD would send a Messiah to pay for their Sins.

N.T. ASSEMBLY - The True Believer of the N.T. Times, Believe that GOD did send the Messiah to pay for our Sins.

Is that NOT the SAME FAITH, the Faith of Abraham?

Those are the TWO FOLDS that will become the ONE FLOCK at the Rapture.

The N.T. ASSEMBLY, did not begin until the Day of Pentecost, after HIS Ascension, so here, is Jesus talking to the Last of the O.T. ASSEMBLY.

John 10:14-16 (HCSB)
14 “I am the good shepherd. I know My own sheep, and they know Me,
15 as the Father knows Me, and I know the Father. I lay down My life for the sheep.
16 But I have other sheep [N.T. Assembly] that are not of this fold [O.T. Assembly]; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock, one shepherd [At the Rapture].

That being the Case, is not the O.T. ASSEMBLY, also IN THE MESSIAH, not just the N.T. ASSEMBLY IS ? ? ?

Those who TRULY Believed GOD would send a MESSIAH to pay for their Sins, would have to be the first ones out of the GRAVE in the Rapture? Before you answer that, HOW TRUE DO YOU BELIEVE THIS VERSE ACTUALLY IS?


Malachi 3:6 (HCSB)
6 “Because I, Yahweh, have not changed,
you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.

HE only SAVES ONE WAY, both O.T. Assembly, and N.T. Assembly, are Both SAVED by GRACE through FAITH.

 

[Melach]

1 cor 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.


why dont we do this? ive never done it have you guys? has any church ever done it? am i misunderstanding the verse or is it saying what it looks like its saying and that no one including me has ever obeyed this verse lolz

 

[dcontroversal]

No

the church of Jerusalem was the first church, there was no denominational churches back then, in fact the were called the churches of Christ, (not to be confused wi5 the church of Christ)

Jesus identified his disciples as the church twice in the present tense lobg before the 50th day....Play ststion is a Pentecostal and like they ALL DO, erroneously believe the church was started on Pentecost......

 

[CherieR]

YES, he is NOT saying that Angels have a special languages of their own, all he is emphasizing, when Angels spoke to men, they had a eloquence, and they had an BOLDNESS, as ONE WHO SPEAKS FROM THEE AUTHORITY, that it commanded attention. So even with that, without LOVE, it is just a BIG NOISE.

Interesting. I thought he was saying angels have a special language. Could that still be a possibly? Thanks for the link on the study you did on the gift of tongues. Definitely interesting.