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VCO

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I know Jesus had used some strong language to certain leaders but also he showed gentleness and healing in his words. What is the good balance in showing gentleness in our words but also boldness and frankness when necessary?

Learn, not to get angry, and instead just agree to disagree. I have found that to be the most favorable way to deal with someone who just wants to argue.

Philippians 2:13-15 (HCSB)
13 For it is God who is working in you, ⌊enabling you⌋ both to desire and to work out His good purpose.
14 Do everything without grumbling and arguing,
15 so that you may be blameless and pure, children of God . . .

1 Timothy 6:4-5 (NCV)
4 This person is full of pride and understands nothing, but is sick with a love for arguing and fighting about words. This brings jealousy, fighting, speaking against others, evil mistrust,
5 and constant quarrels from those who have evil minds and have lost the truth. They think that serving God is a way to get rich.
 

Whispered

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Does this include false teachers in your view... those that deny the Gospel and create a entirely different version of events like Jesus only paid for some sins and not others?
You don't know the answer?
If you've read my posts over these months you know the answer.
What of those who condemn someone for holding faith and being wrong in it because they worship the "Jewish Jesus"?
Is that true Gospel, or is it a false teaching?
 
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@dcontroversal , you haven't answered my last question to you yet and I was hoping you would respond and answer it. I know we need to hope in God and trust him and his word over other things like the word of people, experiences, or feelings.
Which question? must have missed it
 
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"The wise in heart will be called prudent, And sweetness of the lips increases learning."
Proverbs 16:21( NKJV )


"There is one who speaks like the piercings of a sword, But the tongue of the wise promotes health."
Proverbs 12:18( NKJV )
The quickest way to shut someone off from hearing you, even if you're the most knowledgeable person in the whole world, is to offend them.

"A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city, And contentions are like the bars of a citadel." - Proverbs 18:19

Talk down to them, mock them, belittle them and they won't hear another word you say.
 

CherieR

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The quickest way to shut someone off from hearing you, even if you're the most knowledgeable person in the whole world, is to offend them.

"A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city, And contentions are like the bars of a citadel." - Proverbs 18:19

Talk down to them, mock them, belittle them and they won't hear another word you say.
Right, what point are you trying to make?
 

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They know the shepherd will give them food, and like most people they seek after themselves, what they don't know is that after the shepherd has fleeced them, he will send them to the slaughterhouse. We need to ensure we follow the GOOD shepherd.
 

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I disagree...love and truth go hand in hand...Jesus loved the people while beating them with a whip, calling them very pointed names and using sarcasm....please do not question my love of the truth and my love for lost men even though I rake them over the coals when they devalue My Lord, the truth and what he has done and does do for humanity!!!
That is the real you coming out.
 

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Exactly.....I am sick of people questioning our love or Christianity just because we do not put up with heretical B.S. being peddled by false teachers....the men of the bible were INSPIRED of God, they used sarcasm, very pointed names, heat, and made no bones about it....they mocked, ridiculed and EVEN HEWED PAGAN KINGS to pieces.....Christianty has become a joke, being easily offended is a sure sign of immaturity and or not even being saved......if these people cannot handle a little heat they need to get out of the kitchen....and for sure they will fold like a man with a pair of deuces in a poker game with wild cards when the crap really hits the fan for believers SOON!
I'm seeing an atheist parading as a Christian, while at the same time leading people away from the saviour.
 

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I know Jesus had used some strong language to certain leaders but also he showed gentleness and healing in his words. What is the good balance in showing gentleness in our words but also boldness and frankness when necessary?
There is a difference between being bold and frank concerning the scriptures compared to language that is devoid of grace.
Imagine if you will and recall the parables Jesus delivered to those who sought to query Him about His eternal message. "What must I do to be saved?"
What of that if Jesus had responded with insults toward that person making the inquiry, made fun of their inability to understand what He was certain He made clear prior.
To make it a broader picture, imagine when you have read someone displaying a lack of grace and respect for someone, and those words they publish for the world of the web to read and judge as to what that display affords the image and character of a Christian. Now in re-reading such a post, picture Jesus speaking those same words to any of those persons whom He ministered to.
What do the scriptures teach about ad hominem attacks, hate, mockery, ridicule. Were any of those sinful behaviors exampled by Christ? Even when He confronted the Pharisee? Jesus didn't use the methods we encounter in forums from verbally offensive persons. Jesus in His rebuke used terminology that painted a picture, a parable in its own right, as to the character of those whom He judged. He spoke to the Pharisee's, the ministers of the law, in such a way as they understood; vipers, synagogue of Satan, etc... Because those symbols were in the Torah so as to deliver those messages to the people concerning those behaviors, and allegiances.

Those who for the most part are never kind and rarely demonstrate the grace of God using Christ as the excuse or role model for their behavior are of course wrong. Tantamount to saying, Jesus acted the same way and I'm just using His example to defend His truth. What would Jesus say to that?
The Book of Matthew chapter 5 (The Sermon on the Mount)
21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother[c] will be liable to judgment; whoever insults[d] his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell[e] of fire. 23 So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison. 26 Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.[f]


The Book of Proverbs chapter 15:1 A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
Hateful words encourage hateful responses which goad the initial offender to continue on that path. In truth, the initial offender does not lead anyone to know the truth using such tactics. Rather, their behavior extends an invitation for their target, if they're so inclined, to respond in kind.
How many people come to Christ immediately after being verbally abused by a Christian?

Verbal Abuse: A Biblical Perspective



The Book of 1st Peter chapter 3
15. But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
 

gb9

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That is not the Spirit of Christ who said to turn the other cheek. I recognised your spirit as soon as I met with you.
and what sprit would that be??

you were calling others stupid 12 hours ago,