Not By Works

[EleventhHour]

Righteous actions/ fruit show us to be justified by God's grace, they don't make us righteous.
That's why you can't be saved without works.
The person without works has not been justified by God's grace.

Wow how twisty is this?

So much for the thief on the cross.
So much for people who take their last breath finally believing

So much for the fact that the words of Paul which state
very clearly that it is the person that doesn't work that is justified.

So much for the fact that there is no metric on how many demonstrated works are necessary.

The fact is that justified is a legal status conferred by God and to state that works must follow justification makes one justified by their works.

Your twisty is indeed twisted and again a slam against the true free gift of salvation that a very gracious God gives with no strings attached.

If there were strings attached it would not be a gift.

 

[EleventhHour]

You believe the gospel you have made for yourself.

More irony

 

[PS]

The title of the thread, "Not by Works" is true, and so is the fact hat we are saved by faith alone.

So far so good, but we need to study the whole of scripture to ensure our faith is built on a sound foundation. As you know if some bricks are missing the whole building will come tumbling down. While your brother is correct in the main, and indeed his teaching follows my own belief he does need to heed such warnings as these:-

Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. 1Ti 4:1 NLT

Examine yourselves to see if your faith is genuine 2Co 13:5 NLT

Let us hold tightly without wavering (backsliding) to the hope we affirm, for God can be trusted to keep his promise. Heb 10:23 NLT

For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. Heb 4:2 NLT

It is not as cut and dried as some people think.

sure it is cut and dried.

believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.

not believe on Jesus, do enough good works, and when you receive the gift of tongues, you are now sealed and assured.

a certain denomination teaches this lie, I think you know which one.

Not true.

 

[Judges1318]

Righteous actions/ fruit show us to be justified by God's grace, they don't make us righteous.
That's why you can't be saved without works.
The person without works has not been justified by God's grace.

If it were all about our works then why did Jesus have to die such a horrible death?

Justification is not all about our works.
Our works show that we have been justified.

 

[EleventhHour]

1 John 5: 11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has [d]life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, [e]and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
just think about it,

I mentioned this and got a red x.

that should tell you everything you need to know about a certain poster

They do not want truth ....self-deception means they can only promote deception.

 

[OneOfHis]

Justification is not all about our works.
Our works show that we have been justified.

Not before God.

Works can only show as EVIDENCE (not proof) before MAN.

Our justification has ZERO to do with works of righteousness which we do.

 

[EleventhHour]

Justification is not all about our works.
Our works show that we have been justified.

Wrong again.
Justification has nothing to do with works and therefore can never be proven by works...one is justified by grace through faith.

 

[Lightskin]

Righteous actions/ fruit show us to be justified by God's grace, they don't make us righteous.
That's why you can't be saved without works.
The person without works has not been justified by God's grace.

She loves me, she loves me not.
Works saves me, works saves me not.
Make up your mind.

 

[Melach]

I disagree and you are conflating apples and oranges.....of course we are all guilty in the sense of the law and breaking the least of the commandments...but one thing I am not guilty of IS ATTEMPTING TO USURP a man that God has called, nor opposing GOD directly by OPPOSING a man he has called to lead...and my point stands

this korah thing is good lesson for me. its best to not say anything if you dont know for sure if the man/woman is in the wrong or right. best to be quiet and keep noise in your stomach.

 

[EleventhHour]

Not before God.

Works can only show as EVIDENCE (not proof) before MAN.

Our justification has ZERO to do with works of righteousness which we do.

Thank you so much...if anything drives me up the wall is this proof (Calvinism) narrative ...our works give evidence before men so that others will believe.

 

[Melach]

everyone here loves me thats the truth. osas and nosas alike. i never get dislikes or red x from anyone. even that catholic troll who comes with different names all the time like "hereticswontmakeit" or something always puts "happy" to my messages.

 

[OneOfHis]

Thank you so much...if anything drives me up the wall is this proof (Calvinism) narrative ...our works give evidence before men so that others will believe.

That doesn't sound like the calvinism which I have heard of, but denominations or habits of some fractions within the denominations aside I think it is very important to remember that without Jesus, all of us have no hope ... rightfully so... and in Jesus... we ought to have comfort and knowing in HIM we are safe....

 

[Judges1318]

Not before God.

God knows the heart.
He knows the beginning from the end.
So, yes, he does not need our works to show we are righteous. He knows that already.
After all, he is the one who made us righteous anyway.
But, so he won't be charged with unfairness, Jesus will use our works as the evidence for or against us in regard to whether or not we will enter into the kingdom (Matthew 25:31-46).

Works can only show as EVIDENCE (not proof) before MAN.

Choose whatever word you want to use.
Works are the outward sign that you are in genuine covenant with God (think circumcision and Sabbath rest).
The person who has put off the flesh in spiritual circumcision and has entered into Sabbath rest from his work of sin shows he has a transformation that only happens when a person is justified in Jesus Christ.

Our justification has ZERO to do with works of righteousness which we do.

You do works of righteous BECAUSE you have been justified through faith.
It's only because you have been justified by the blood of Christ that you can live a changed life.
That's why works are the outward evidence/proof of inward change.

 

[Lightskin]

Thank you so much...if anything drives me up the wall is this proof (Calvinism) narrative ...our works give evidence before men so that others will believe.

Jesus tells us not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing. 😊

 

[Melach]

Jesus tells us not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing. 😊

but also says let your light shine before men

so its both

 

[OneOfHis]

God knows the heart.
He knows the beginning from the end.
So, yes, he does not need our works to show we are righteous. He knows that already.
After all, he is the one who made us righteous anyway.
But, so he won't be charged with unfairness, Jesus will use our works as the evidence for or against us in regard to whether or not we will enter into the kingdom (Matthew 25:31-46).


Choose whatever word you want to use.
Works are the outward sign that you are in genuine covenant with God (think circumcision and Sabbath rest).
The person who has put off the flesh in spiritual circumcision and has entered into Sabbath rest from his work of sin shows he has a transformation that only happens when a person is justified in Jesus Christ.


You do works of righteous BECAUSE you have been justified through faith.
It's only because you have been justified by the blood of Christ that you can live a changed life.
That's why works are the outward evidence/proof of inward change.

Wrong, in regards to being justified we either have our own works or the imputed righteousness of Jesus without works.


In either case we need to be 100% spotless and every thought word and deed is brought into question at once.


Those who God started in are covered.


Those who He never abided in will be judged by their own righteousness.

 

[Ruby123]

but also says let your light shine before men

so its both

Have you never received a red x kangaroo mate? I have, on this thread I think. I can't remember.

 

[OneOfHis]

but also says let your light shine before men

so its both

Our light shining before men is before all flesh.

It is really allowing the light He works in us shine freely while we are yet walking on earth.

Not letting one had aware of the other is more akin to not boasting of the good we are used to do as if the left is more than the right. (amongst family in Christ)


No?

 

[mailmandan]

Yes, Jesus does require works to be saved...Do not argue with me, argue with Jesus.

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[OneOfHis]

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I knew when I saw the screen name.😒

Not subtle.