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I can tell you didn't really comprehend what I posted.
Answer these for me. (you, too, @gb9 )
According to this passage, what will happen to barren, thorny 'fields'?
And what things does the passage say accompany salvation?
7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God;
8but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
9But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way.
10For God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love which you have shown toward His name, in having ministered and in still ministering to the saints. - Hebrews 6:7-10
Is the author wrong?
Answer these for me. (you, too, @gb9 )
According to this passage, what will happen to barren, thorny 'fields'?
And what things does the passage say accompany salvation?
7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God;
8but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
9But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way.
10For God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love which you have shown toward His name, in having ministered and in still ministering to the saints. - Hebrews 6:7-10
Is the author wrong?
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Is the author of Hebrews teaching Lordship salvation/ backdoor works salvationism here?
7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God;
8but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
9But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way.
10For God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love which you have shown toward His name, in having ministered and in still ministering to the saints. - Hebrews 6:7-10
7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God;
8but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
9But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way.
10For God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love which you have shown toward His name, in having ministered and in still ministering to the saints. - Hebrews 6:7-10
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My point is I have not heard of what you said in context from anyone who claimed that denomination, but I stay away from that kinda talk and focus on individuals.
So often someone tries to pin something to me with some general statement or a denomination. I dislike that they use trigger words and don't engage in a true one on one while assuming I hold beliefs before it is brought up in discussion.
I don't know enough or care enough to look into a denomination itself. I've been down too many rabbit holes and would rather talk to the individual about what they believe a verse to mean and why....
(not assuming you're wrong or right, just not joining in on anything against a denomination I know very little about)
Lol I know catholics who say praying to marry is wrong and purgatory is a myth🤦♂️
but they still call themselves catholic...
So often someone tries to pin something to me with some general statement or a denomination. I dislike that they use trigger words and don't engage in a true one on one while assuming I hold beliefs before it is brought up in discussion.
I don't know enough or care enough to look into a denomination itself. I've been down too many rabbit holes and would rather talk to the individual about what they believe a verse to mean and why....
(not assuming you're wrong or right, just not joining in on anything against a denomination I know very little about)
Lol I know catholics who say praying to marry is wrong and purgatory is a myth🤦♂️
but they still call themselves catholic...
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Hebrews is a letter. just isolating a few words out of it, or any letter, is invalid. read and apply all of it.
now, a real life question-
I have a pecan tree. 3 years ago, it yielded a huge crop of pecans.
since then, it has produced mostly bad fruits. ( nuts in this case, but the same principal).
now, is the pecan tree in danger of ceasing of being a pecan tree, due to a few seasons of little work??
now, a real life question-
I have a pecan tree. 3 years ago, it yielded a huge crop of pecans.
since then, it has produced mostly bad fruits. ( nuts in this case, but the same principal).
now, is the pecan tree in danger of ceasing of being a pecan tree, due to a few seasons of little work??
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I think you misunderstood me maybe
.. I was agreeing with you about proof...
I do not regard Calvin a trigger word.. I like a lot of what he states but definitely it was his contention that works had to follow faith pretty much how Judges sees it....
Calvin's ideas have permeated doctrine throughout history both the good and that not so good.
My point is the idea that "proof must exist" goes back to the Reformation and I myself do not see it supported by scripture.
Hope I have clarified.
.. I was agreeing with you about proof...
I do not regard Calvin a trigger word.. I like a lot of what he states but definitely it was his contention that works had to follow faith pretty much how Judges sees it....
Calvin's ideas have permeated doctrine throughout history both the good and that not so good.
My point is the idea that "proof must exist" goes back to the Reformation and I myself do not see it supported by scripture.
Hope I have clarified.
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I think you misunderstood me maybe
.. I was agreeing with you about proof...
I do not regard Calvin a trigger word.. I like a lot of what he states but definitely it was his contention that works had to follow faith pretty much how Judges sees it....
Calvin's ideas have permeated doctrine throughout history both the good and that not so good.
My point is the idea that "proof must exist" goes back to the Reformation and I myself do not see it supported by scripture.
Hope I have clarified.
.. I was agreeing with you about proof...
I do not regard Calvin a trigger word.. I like a lot of what he states but definitely it was his contention that works had to follow faith pretty much how Judges sees it....
Calvin's ideas have permeated doctrine throughout history both the good and that not so good.
My point is the idea that "proof must exist" goes back to the Reformation and I myself do not see it supported by scripture.
Hope I have clarified.
No I understood you right away.😅
I was happy you agreed with my point but then made a distiction on purpose. I don't cosign about anything to do with calvinism be it good or bad because of my lack of information.
(i know you werent using a trigger word, lol I hope you don't think I was accusing you of anything, not even being incorrect about what you claimed about calvinists or calvinism)
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