Not By Works

[Judges1318]

Can you post scripture stating this? Thanks.

Besides all the eternal life scriptures referring to believers, not unbelievers and ex-believers, we have these:

24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. - 1 John 2:24

9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. - 2 John 1:9
12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. - 1 John 5:12

...ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you - 1 Corinthians 15:2

6But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. - Hebrews 3:6

 

[Judges1318]

Wrong again

There is no condition to continue believing in order to be saved?
Read the post before this one.

 

[EleventhHour]

There is no condition to continue believing in order to be saved?
Read the post before this one.

Not following?

 

[Judges1318]

OUR POSITION IN CHRIST IS A DONE >>>>>>>>>>>>> NOT A DO

That is true.Those who believe have the completed work of Christ applied to their lives.
The mistake osas says is that the completed work of Christ can never be removed from a believer. And some say that's true even if you stop believing.

1 Peter 1:23 — “. . . since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding Word of God.”

The word did not remain in the soil of the type 2 soil believer in the Parable of the Sower. So we know the word being imperishable does not mean it will always remain in the soil it is planted in.

 

[John146]

Besides all the eternal life scriptures referring to believers, not unbelievers and ex-believers, we have these:

24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. - 1 John 2:24

9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. - 2 John 1:9
12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. - 1 John 5:12

...ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you - 1 Corinthians 15:2

6But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. - Hebrews 3:6

I don’t see these passages as concerning the body of Christ, but to the Jews in the last days. Anything from Paul’s letters to the body of Christ?

If I’m in Christ, I’m part of His body. Who is able to rip apart His body?

 

[Judges1318]

When people started leaving out the condition to continue to believe in order to have the salvation that is eternal.

Wrong again

There is no condition to continue believing in order to be saved?
Read the post before this one.

Not following?

It looks like you're saying I was wrong in saying that there is no condition to continue to believe in order to have eternal salvation.
I posted the scriptures that show us there is that condition.

 

[Judges1318]

I don’t see these passages as concerning the body of Christ, but to the Jews in the last days. Anything from Paul’s letters to the body of Christ?

...ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you - 1 Corinthians 15:2

This was in that list I posted.

 

[Judges1318]

If I’m in Christ, I’m part of His body. Who is able to rip apart His body?

Your own unbelief can cause the Word of the Gospel to be removed from the soil of your heart.
Reference the 2nd type of soil in the Parable of the Sower:

"which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away." - Luke 8:13

 

[EleventhHour]

It looks like you're saying I was wrong in saying that there is no condition to continue to believe in order to have eternal salvation.
I posted the scriptures that show us there is that condition.

This is your constant, continual, ongoing, never-ending, without ceasing, persistent, sustained, unremitting etc., etc., ERROR those verses are filled with instruction

Sin breaks the fellowship, but not the sonship.

 

[Judges1318]

This is your constant, continual, ongoing, never-ending, without ceasing, persistent, sustained, unremitting etc., etc., ERROR those verses are filled with instruction

Sin breaks the fellowship, but not the sonship.

UNBELIEF!
Not works, or the lack thereof.
Your constant, continual , ongoing error is that you do not distinguish between 'believing' and 'works'.

 

[G2RBeliever]

Romans 4:21 And BEING FULLY OERSUADED that,what He promised,He was able to perform .

Luke 16:31 And He said into him,If they hear not Moses and the prophets,neither will they be persuaded,though one Rose from the dead.

Acts 21:14 And when He (me,he,she,they,them) would not be persuaded,we ceased ,saying, The WILL of the Lord be done.

 

[EleventhHour]

UNBELIEF!
Not works, or the lack thereof.
Your constant, continual , ongoing error is that you do not distinguish between 'believing' and 'works'.

I don't think so....

and I quote @dcontroversal

But unto the one that WORKS NOT, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, HIS faith is credited to righteousness....
This is the work of the HEAVENLY FATHER, THAT we believe on him whom he hath sent.
We, BY BELIEF have done the works of the HEAVENLY FATHER

Repeat.......

ALL believers have worked the works of the Heavenly Father in belief and then.....to the ones that WORK NOT, but believeth in him that justifies the ungodly his FAITH is credited as righteousness......

That imputed righteousness is not maintained by our belief, it is Jesus who maintains us, you cannot seem to understand, or refuse to accept.....

The one belief and the irrevocable result of that belief which comes from Jesus.. what you are basically stating at the end of the day IS.... you do not TRUST Him

 

[VCO]

Hello @Lightskin ,

I am familiar with hearing the phrase Once Saved Always Saved from a church I went to before. In one particular church( it could have been the same one, but I don't know for sure) I often heard the question raised , " if you died tonight are you sure you would go to heaven?"

When I read the phrase Once Saved Always Saved, the way I interpret is if someone is saved, that one is always saved. But if someone doesn't know what it means to be saved, then it ought to be explained. It may be a good conversation starter into explaining the gospel to bring up OSAS and ask if one knows what it means to be saved.

I like the phrase eternal sercurity. The word eternal being lasting forever and security a rather comforting word and something I often sought after. Security has for me the sense of comfort, peace, rest. I can rest in Him and am secure in Jesus. Pictures I get with security is that of being held, embraced, of a Shepherd holding a lamb close to his heart( see Isaiah 40:11).

AMEN! AMEN! And AMEN!

 

[Judges1318]

...imputed righteousness is not maintained by our belief...

Imputed righteousness is secured by our believing.
That same believing continues to secure imputed righteousness.

...it is Jesus who maintains us...

How do I access this Jesus who maintains us?

The one belief...

That's right.
It's the one and only believing that you started out with in the beginning.
It isn't new, or additional, or different believing.
It's the very same believing you started out in, uninterrupted and continuing.
That believing that you started out in must continue for you to continue to have the salvation that believing secures for you:

"... you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you..." - 1 Corinthians 15:2

"14 For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end" - Hebrews 3:14

So, according to the scriptures above, am I saved partaker of Christ if I do not hold fast the believing I started out with?

...what you are basically stating at the end of the day IS.... you do not TRUST Him

Okay, then what must I do to trust Him?

 

[PennEd]

How do I access this Jesus who maintains us?

Finally a question of value friend! Sounds a little bit like:
Matthew 19:16-24 New King James Version (NKJV)
Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[a] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? [c]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
With God All Things Are Possible
23 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”


So you can live a COMPLETELY sinless life since Birth, or become born again by Confessing your need for a Savior, believe that Jesus, God in the flesh died for your sin, and rose again on the 3rd day, and forget attaining or maintaining Eternal Life through YOUR works.

 

[Judges1318]

you go on to say that good works are necessary to maintain salvation by belief.

No, the good works do not maintain salvation.
The uninterrupted and ongoing believing you started out in is what continually accesses the power of God in salvation (1 Peter 1:5).
Works don't do that. They can't do that.

Your works are the expected and obligatory result of your believing, just as getting wet is the expected and obligatory result of going swimming. If you're not wet, then you're not in the water. Similarly, if you don't have a changed/changing life then you aren't baptized into Christ by the Spirit in salvation. You do not have the imputation of God's righteousness that you think you have.

 

[Judges1318]

So you can live a COMPLETELY sinless life since Birth, or become born again by Confessing your need for a Savior, believe that Jesus, God in the flesh died for your sin, and rose again on the 3rd day, and forget attaining or maintaining Eternal Life through YOUR works.

Of course this is true, but why didn't Jesus didn't tell him that?

 

[PennEd]

How do I access this Jesus who maintains us?

Finally a question of value friend! Sounds a little bit like:
Matthew 19:16-24 New King James Version (NKJV)
Jesus Counsels the Rich Young Ruler
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[a] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? [c]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
With God All Things Are Possible
23 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”


So you can live a COMPLETELY sinless life since Birth, or become born again by Confessing your need for a Savior, believe that Jesus, God in the flesh died for your sin, and rose again on the 3rd day, and forget attaining or maintaining Eternal Life through YOUR works.

Of course this is true, but why didn't Jesus didn't tell him that?

Jesus told no one but his disciples that He had to be crucified, and Nicodemus. He expected them to know it through the Scriptures. I am of the belief that the Rich Young Ruler came to the Lord and is saved. Jesus tells him He loved him, unlike His conversations with the Pharisees.

 

[John146]

Of course this is true, but why didn't Jesus didn't tell him that?

He was still under the law.

 

[John146]

No, the good works do not maintain salvation.
The uninterrupted and ongoing believing you started out in is what continually accesses the power of God in salvation (1 Peter 1:5).
Works don't do that. They can't do that.

Your works are the expected and obligatory result of your believing, just as getting wet is the expected and obligatory result of going swimming. If you're not wet, then you're not in the water. Similarly, if you don't have a changed/changing life then you aren't baptized into Christ by the Spirit in salvation. You do not have the imputation of God's righteousness that you think you have.

So, would you say people can be saved multiple times throughout one’s life?