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A direct quote from Titus......
But WHERE in Titus????
One has to be honest. If you do not like a position, but saying it is wrong is just
a statement of your position in a negative sense, but adds nothing more than this.
It reminds me of a historical dispute between muslims who wanted to pursue
truth and those who just took the Koran as the final authority. The beheaded the
key proponent of truth, and asked if anyone else disagreed. Once you behave like
this truth has left the room.
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
John 3:19
a statement of your position in a negative sense, but adds nothing more than this.
It reminds me of a historical dispute between muslims who wanted to pursue
truth and those who just took the Koran as the final authority. The beheaded the
key proponent of truth, and asked if anyone else disagreed. Once you behave like
this truth has left the room.
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
John 3:19
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It would seem we have a contradiction here, so God does assure you that you will be in heaven?
Umm.... is there a scripture for that?... You know it is really important to cite chapter and verse otherwise it is just hearsay and opinion.
If I was waking up in beautiful Tuscany every morning I am sure I would be more prone to contradictory statements too!
Umm.... is there a scripture for that?... You know it is really important to cite chapter and verse otherwise it is just hearsay and opinion.
If I was waking up in beautiful Tuscany every morning I am sure I would be more prone to contradictory statements too!
Thank you for the wishes.
Without revelation from the Holy Spirit, mine, or anybody else attempting to explain Scripture, is without fruit. I pray that revelation comes to you.
I am curious as to what translation you are using. The meaning of which, especially verse 20, is starkly different than every other translation I could find. Here are many translations, none of which say what you are saying:
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[TD]For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
"But I warn you--unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!
For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
For I say to you that unless your righteousness shall abound above that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall never enter into the kingdom of the heavens.
"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
because I tell you, unless your righteousness greatly exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom from heaven!"
For I tell you, unless your righteousness goes beyond that of the experts in the law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
For I say to you, that unless your goodness will exceed that of the Scribes and the Pharisees, you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
I can guarantee that unless you live a life that has God's approval and do it more faithfully than the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
“For I say to you, that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of the heavens.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For I tell you, that unless your justice abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, that unless your righteousness surpass [that] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of the heavens.
For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For I assure you that unless your righteousness greatly surpasses that of the Scribes and the Pharisees, you will certainly not find entrance into the Kingdom of the Heavens.
For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
'For I say to you, that if your righteousness may not abound above that of the scribes and Pharisees, ye may not enter to the reign of the heavens.
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Without revelation from the Holy Spirit, mine, or anybody else attempting to explain Scripture, is without fruit. I pray that revelation comes to you.
I am curious as to what translation you are using. The meaning of which, especially verse 20, is starkly different than every other translation I could find. Here are many translations, none of which say what you are saying:
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[TD]For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
"But I warn you--unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!
For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
For I say to you that unless your righteousness shall abound above that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall never enter into the kingdom of the heavens.
"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
because I tell you, unless your righteousness greatly exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom from heaven!"
For I tell you, unless your righteousness goes beyond that of the experts in the law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
For I say to you, that unless your goodness will exceed that of the Scribes and the Pharisees, you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
I can guarantee that unless you live a life that has God's approval and do it more faithfully than the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
“For I say to you, that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of the heavens.
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For I tell you, that unless your justice abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For I say unto you, that unless your righteousness surpass [that] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of the heavens.
For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
For I assure you that unless your righteousness greatly surpasses that of the Scribes and the Pharisees, you will certainly not find entrance into the Kingdom of the Heavens.
For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
'For I say to you, that if your righteousness may not abound above that of the scribes and Pharisees, ye may not enter to the reign of the heavens.
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The way I see it is if folks don't have eternal assurance....then perhaps there is a good reason....perhaps God hasn't given them that Holy spirit seal because they dont have a saving faith in Jesus finished work upon the cross, his ressurection and ascension?
Maybe some folks just have a heathen's faith in following the Law to earn their salvation or a demon's mental assent of who Jesus is and what He did?
Maybe some folks just have a heathen's faith in following the Law to earn their salvation or a demon's mental assent of who Jesus is and what He did?
I agree. As the scriptures say, "the truth shall set you free". The lost just don't have any assurance; they haven't been set free yet.
But God knew there would be some believers that would doubt their eternal security at some point, after listening to teachers, which is why there are numerous scriptures reassuring us and confirming that we have eternal life and are no longer condemned.
But God knew there would be some believers that would doubt their eternal security at some point, after listening to teachers, which is why there are numerous scriptures reassuring us and confirming that we have eternal life and are no longer condemned.
Hebrews 6 disagrees with this idea.
(Hebrews 5:12-14)- spiritually immature/baby christians... "you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God"
Hebrews 6:1-6: "Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits.
For (because) it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if (hypothetical) they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame"
Context.
In other words, impossible for a believer to be saved, unsaved, saved again, then unsaved. Christ's ONE sacrifice was sufficient to save them one time, eternally. If salvation can be lost then Christ would need to be crucified a second, third, forth time? This scripture is one of many that confirms this is not possible. That ONE sacrifice was sufficient. A person cannot be renewed multiple times... that just isn't biblical at all.
The Holy Spirit doesn't keep jumping in and out of a person's body. No one can break that Holy Spirit seal
(Hebrews 5:12-14)- spiritually immature/baby christians... "you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God"
Hebrews 6:1-6: "Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits.
For (because) it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if (hypothetical) they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame"
Context.
In other words, impossible for a believer to be saved, unsaved, saved again, then unsaved. Christ's ONE sacrifice was sufficient to save them one time, eternally. If salvation can be lost then Christ would need to be crucified a second, third, forth time? This scripture is one of many that confirms this is not possible. That ONE sacrifice was sufficient. A person cannot be renewed multiple times... that just isn't biblical at all.
The Holy Spirit doesn't keep jumping in and out of a person's body. No one can break that Holy Spirit seal
Dear all,
Well I haven't been back in to this thread for a while but what I can see so far from the many comments I have been reading, I think this thread has it's origins from Babylon. Well, not literally but there seems to be a lot of confusion in here. Just saying, still love you all .
God bless you
Well I haven't been back in to this thread for a while but what I can see so far from the many comments I have been reading, I think this thread has it's origins from Babylon. Well, not literally but there seems to be a lot of confusion in here. Just saying, still love you all .
God bless you