Not By Works

[Judges1318]

What part of irrevocable is revocable to you?

That's not the issue.
The issue is you do not know what is irrevocable and for whom.
You ignore Paul's explanation of what is irrevocable and what God will not change his mind about.

Be a Berean.
Read Romans 11 without your pop theologian's osas bias.
Just let the whole of Romans 11 say exactly what it says.
There's nothing hidden or esoteric there.
Paul plainly explains what is irrevocable and for whom it is irrevocable.
And it has nothing to do with a believer not being able to lose the gift of salvation given to him.

 

[Lightskin]

Nice insult, pal. Anyway, are we to believe Lightskin's claim that God's promises belong to apostates as well as the saints who endure to the end?

Leftist Criminal Rights advocates are all the same...putting the selfish interests of those who despise the law ahead of those of the law abiding public. The only difference is that the leftists advocates in church hide their own sins with a garment of religious dignity.

Ahh, so you’re an adherent to the law rather than grace. That explains everything. Hope you’re perfect otherwise it’s weeping and gnashing of teeth for you.

 

[Lightskin]

Allowing future generations to still have God's gifts and calling, despite their rejection of their Messiah, is hardly the equivalent of a believer never being able to lose his calling and gifts.

How many dead Israelites residing in hell today would agree with you that God's gifts and calling being irrevocable means what you say it means? Obviously, they show us that doesn't mean what osas says it means.

They rejected Christ.

 

[Lightskin]

you do not know

The irony in those words is epic.

 

[preacher4truth]

You need to get a new vocation.
You're not polite and gentle as a shepherd should be.
You're way too edgy for a pastor.
Do you act like this in your church?

I'm the same everywhere: biblical. I don't "act" anywhere. When wolves poke their head into the fold I whack them in the cranium with my staff. Try some Advil.

 

[Judges1318]

Ahh, so you’re an adherent to the law rather than grace. That explains everything. Hope you’re perfect otherwise it’s weeping and gnashing of teeth for you.

I'm confident that he keeps the law (to whatever extent that he does) for the same reason Christians keep the law 'do not murder'. Not to earn their salvation, but as the expression of the faith they have in God's forgiveness in Christ. I know this is not true in the 'new' osas, but hopefully you are aware that this is how it is among believers who don't subscribe to the new osas.

 

[Judges1318]

I'm the same everywhere: biblical. I don't "act" anywhere. When wolves poke their head into the fold I whack them in the cranium with my staff. Try some Advil.

Oh, I'm confident that you are exactly this way in your church. That's why I said what I said.

And I am confident that you think you are being spiritual by this treatment of others who don't agree with your beliefs. Don't excuse your ungodly behavior in the name of defending the flock.

 

[posthuman]

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Jesus did not lie.
They mean exactly what they mean, and they are plain.
You just think there's only one way--the osas way--to understand those words.

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All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.​

(John 6:37)​

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This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.​

(John 6:39)​

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I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.​

(John 10:28)​

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I know My sheep, and am known by My own.​

(John 10:14)​

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My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I and My Father are one. ​

(John 10:29-30)​

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I AM The Door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved​

(John 10:9)​

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No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. ​

(John 6:44)​

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they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers. ​

(John 10:5)​

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But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.​

(John 10:27)​

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Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him, and He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”​

(John 6:64-65)​

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aight tell me how this means He will lose a single one of His sheep the Father gives Him??
seems He only loses goats, and He does so on purpose, and He knows the difference.

 

[miknik5]

judges,

Please read 1 John 2 and 2 John 1 together.

I am very sorry that you don't understand

 

[VCO]

Did you not read my post?
There is the 'old' osas, and there is the 'new' osas.
And what is truly amazing is the 'new' osas is so completely contrary to the 'old', but all the 'old' osas posters here will hardly lift a finger to call it out.

OH, I am glad I turned that Show Ignored, temporarily on, and caught you in another LIE about OSAS.

I been going to Evangelical Type Churches that Teach OSAS since 1978, and have NEVER found a single Church that taught OSAS differently than I BELIEVE. We moved a lot, from one small town to another small town. Some only had a few types of Churches, but I have always found a CHURCH that TAUGHT MY BELIEFS.

I have been involved in the following Churches:

2 - Evangelical Free Churches.

4 - Community Churches.

3- Bible Churches

1- Bible Fellowship Church

1 - Grace Brethren Church

1 - Independent Baptist Church

1 - Southern Baptist Church

2 - Evangelical Lutheran Church


AND ALL of them taught OSAS, the same WAY I BELIEVE.

What does GOD think about your constant LIES about OSAS ? ? ?

 

[azamzimtoti]

Be a Berean.

Try not being a beratean. We know that ain't gonna happen.

 

[EleventhHour]

That's not the issue.
The issue is you do not know what is irrevocable and for whom.
You ignore Paul's explanation of what is irrevocable and what God will not change his mind about.

Be a Berean.
Read Romans 11 without your pop theologian's osas bias.
Just let the whole of Romans 11 say exactly what it says.
There's nothing hidden or esoteric there.
Paul plainly explains what is irrevocable and for whom it is irrevocable.
And it has nothing to do with a believer not being able to lose the gift of salvation given to him.

Scripture is so clear and yet you miss it over and over again.

"Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified."
Romans 8:30

Those He Justified go on to be Glorified

Please stop degrading God and His plan of salvation... you are accountable for this you know.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We don't attempt to prove incorrect verses 8-9...the problem is with OSAS's interpretation of verse 10...that the "good works" for which we have been "created in Christ Jesus" are optional.

Thanks,, once again you have no comprehension of what OSAS teaches

they are not optional, they are part of the new creation, part of being born again

you keep hurting your own testimony and accountability th more you lie about others

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nice insult, pal. Anyway, are we to believe Lightskin's claim that God's promises belong to apostates as well as the saints who endure to the end?

Leftist Criminal Rights advocates are all the same...putting the selfish interests of those who despise the law ahead of those of the law abiding public. The only difference is that the leftists advocates in church hide their own sins with a garment of religious dignity.

More slander. More lies

i think I am gonna have to put you in the same boat as mr judges, someone who is here just trolling, that all he can do is slander and lie about others, because it is all he has left

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, the DSM lists Works Salvation and OSAS under the same chapter heading "Looney Tunes Logic".
Once again, OSAS has taken the Biblical principle of unprofitable, reasonable, obligatory (yes, they're called the Ten Commandments, not the Ten Suggestions) service and corrupted it by twisting it into "salvation sinners earn by works"...not realizing that Romans 8:7 is clear that sinners can never be "subject to the law of God" even if they wanted to.
Without counterpoint, you claimed the servant didn't have faith in the master's proclamation that he was forgiven even after you saw me make the point that if he didn't have faith, he would have cowered in the corner in unbelief instead of walking out the door to open air freedom.

But, having totally ignored this, one can only speculate that perhaps your reason for stubbornly refusing to concede my point is that you think this is a case of mass delusion, where the master and the others were suddenly overcome with conviction that a guilty man who stole a bazillion dollars was actually innocent to the point that they watched him pinching himself to make sure he wasn't dreaming as he reluctantly strutted out the door to freedom?

More lies and more slander, yep, you can definitely join judges, I will no longer feed trolls who refuse to listen and just attack what they can not understand..

good day sir

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I guess I can leave this thread for awhile again.. not gonna sit here and what people feed these liars

 

[azamzimtoti]

He's been a stand up Christian this whole time..

Nope not a Christian, it's a SoDA, attempting to keep the LAW, ya know the one that Paul said brought death.

Funny how that works.

 

[azamzimtoti]

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aight

That's Carolinian speak for alright ain't it Post?

 

[azamzimtoti]

Scripture is so clear and yet you miss it over and over again.

"Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified."
Romans 8:30

Those He Justified go on to be Glorified

Please stop degrading God and His plan of salvation... you are accountable for this you know.

Good point:

(Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.)

Who shall?

Looks like the self appointed judge is attempting to.

 

[posthuman]

That's Carolinian speak for alright ain't it Post?

it's vernacular all over the south