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Ephesian 1:13-14
" in Him, in whom also we were made an inheritance, having been previously marked out according to the purpose of the One who operates all things according to the counsel of His will, with a view to our being to the praise of His glory who had previously placed our hope in the Christ, in whom also, as for you, having heard the word of the truth, the good news of your salvation, in whom also having believed, you were sealed with the Spirit of the promise, the Holy Spirit, who is the token payment of our inheritance guaranteeing the full payment of all, looking forward to the redemption of the possession which is being preserved with a view to the praise of His glory."
-Wuest
All past tense in the greek.....
JUSTIFIED!!! PAST TENSE!!!
Done deal, nothing you can do.....
" in Him, in whom also we were made an inheritance, having been previously marked out according to the purpose of the One who operates all things according to the counsel of His will, with a view to our being to the praise of His glory who had previously placed our hope in the Christ, in whom also, as for you, having heard the word of the truth, the good news of your salvation, in whom also having believed, you were sealed with the Spirit of the promise, the Holy Spirit, who is the token payment of our inheritance guaranteeing the full payment of all, looking forward to the redemption of the possession which is being preserved with a view to the praise of His glory."
-Wuest
All past tense in the greek.....
JUSTIFIED!!! PAST TENSE!!!
Done deal, nothing you can do.....
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all the Father gives to Him come to Him.
none are cast out, and none are snatched from His hand.
they will never follow a stranger.
He will not lose one of them.
if one is lost, He will go and find it, and carry it home on His shoulder rejoicing.
those who are not His own cannot believe because they are not His own.
none are cast out, and none are snatched from His hand.
they will never follow a stranger.
He will not lose one of them.
if one is lost, He will go and find it, and carry it home on His shoulder rejoicing.
those who are not His own cannot believe because they are not His own.
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV
Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV
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He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.
(John 8:47)
But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
(John 10:26-27)
or does Jesus say a person is first 'not His sheep' and for that reason does not believe?
does Jesus say a person does not hear therefore they are not of Him?
or does Jesus say a person is not of Him therefore they do not hear?
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Only if God Himself was impressing it on me to do that. The person themselves would have to not know what's going on.
If someone came up to me and said, "I'll keep believing if you give me $50.00", I'd laugh and walk away.
Years ago when I was a young man, I used to witness to a coworker. One day I looked at him and said if you came to Christ and I died today I'd consider my life worth it. And I meant it.
If someone came up to me and said, "I'll keep believing if you give me $50.00", I'd laugh and walk away.
Years ago when I was a young man, I used to witness to a coworker. One day I looked at him and said if you came to Christ and I died today I'd consider my life worth it. And I meant it.
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Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty. 
So far no "twist" "denial" forthcoming.
Maybe we should all just post that verse in response to each of his posts.
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That is not what the verse states at all!!!
YOU are being dishonest with the plain text.
I cannot even wonder what it must be like to twist scripture the way you do.. may God have mercy on you and soon.
To quote @mailmandan ...
YOU are being dishonest with the plain text.
I cannot even wonder what it must be like to twist scripture the way you do.. may God have mercy on you and soon.
To quote @mailmandan ...
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You’re reading into the question that which does not exist. You already admitted you wouldn’t help someone who is in need of “keeping” their salvation. There is no need greater than that according to you and yet you admit you wouldn’t help them and you’re trying to make excuses for your lack of godliness.
GOD SEALED those Who are His and HE DOES THE WORK(S) (by His Spirit) through His tools (HIS SHEEP) that HE put a seal on....
Why is this so hard?
Don't just consider these one or two verses, consider the Scripture in whole.
Scripture verifies Scripture.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
2Cor 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
2Cor 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
2Cor 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Once a son Always a son
Why is this so hard?
Don't just consider these one or two verses, consider the Scripture in whole.
Scripture verifies Scripture.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
2Cor 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
2Cor 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
2Cor 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Once a son Always a son
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