Not By Works

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eternally-gratefull

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FranC said:
1. You ask silly questions. This is not kindergarten.

2. Did I say Paul contradicts James??? I don't believe I did.

I was saying how JAMES, who spent years with JESUS, said that

FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.

Seems simple enough to me...

IOW, IF YOU DON'T WORK
YOUR FAITH IS DEAD.


Simple English.
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if works are required to be saved, James contradicts Paul,

whether you believe it r not does not matter

paul said..

not by works of righteusness which we have done, but by his mercy

paulsaid we are saved by grace not works lest anyone should boast

paul said if Abraham was found by works he has something to best, but not before God,

so so did James contradict Paul, or is your interpretation flawed,

and if if we are saved by works, how many did James say

put up girl.. your demanding, so follow through,
 
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Just because you have taught YOUR faith, does not mean that YOUR faith is OUR faith. YOUR faith is vastly different from MY faith..


You don't have to be in heaven for God to ask you that question. He may very well ask you right here on earth when He returns for us. :)

NO ONE has brain washed ME. I don't put my faith and belief in the teachings of men and churches. MY faith is in Christ and the bible. :eek:

And what's up with you switching your avatar to a younger picture of yourself? Trying to impress Dcon, are ya? ;)


LOL

FranC said:
1. Thanks for calling me a teacher. Yes. Actually, I have taught our faith.

2. If God asks me something someday, it means I'm in heaven !!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice.
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eternally-gratefull

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FranC said:
This sounds like cheap grace to me.

You say:

NO NEED TO FOLLOW THE LAW.

I prefer to believe Jesus.
He said He didn't come to abolish the Law.
Mathew 5:17


How about using some scripture every now and then??????????

it keeps you sharp.
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So saying we we must be perfect to save ourselves S cheap grace? Rofl. Wow Fran your on a roll..

he he did not come to abolish the law, it still stands, which means if you break even one of the smallest commands, your guilty of breaking the entire law ( In case you did not know, that is scripture James 2: 10) and as Paul said, whoever is under the law is under a curse, because what does the law say, whoever does not confirm AND OBAY EVERY LETTER is under a curse. (Gal 3 with duet 27: 26)

so, would you like to try again, or continue e to be condemned by the law, and call it cheap grace? SMH
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
if works are required to be saved, James contradicts Paul,

whether you believe it r not does not matter

paul said..

not by works of righteusness which we have done, but by his mercy

paulsaid we are saved by grace not works lest anyone should boast

paul said if Abraham was found by works he has something to best, but not before God,

so so did James contradict Paul, or is your interpretation flawed,

and if if we are saved by works, how many did James say

put up girl.. your demanding, so follow through,
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OK.
After lunch.
But how do you like my new avatar?
I'm told I look just like her.
Not bad, huh?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
So saying we we must be perfect to save ourselves S cheap grace? Rofl. Wow Fran your on a roll..

he he did not come to abolish the law, it still stands, which means if you break even one of the smallest commands, your guilty of breaking the entire law ( In case you did not know, that is scripture James 2: 10) and as Paul said, whoever is under the law is under a curse, because what does the law say, whoever does not confirm AND OBAY EVERY LETTER is under a curse. (Gal 3 with duet 27: 26)

so, would you like to try again, or continue e to be condemned by the law, and call it cheap grace? SMH
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Did I say I have to be perfect?
I'm far from perfect.
I just boasted about how pretty I am !!!
 
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FranC said:
If works show faith,

How come some here are against declaring that WORKS ARE REQUIRED as God has COMMANDED?
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saying works show faith, because true faith WILL produce works is far different that saying works are required, which makes it legalism,

Abrahams work did not save him, he was saved before he did one work, however, his faith was proven by his work, like James was.

same with all the people I heb 12

true faith works, dead faith (mere belief) does not, even demons believe, but their lack of work proves they had no faith.


Again, maybe if you get off your war and hate against Calvinism, you would maybe finally start to understand what people believe.
 
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Trying to relive your glory days, Fran? LOL :eek:

How about be honest, get your profile age fixed and post a CURRENT picture of yourself?


FranC said:
OK.
After lunch.
But how do you like my new avatar?
I'm told I look just like her.
Not bad, huh?
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eternally-gratefull

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FranC said:
Love fulfills the Law?
Do you love me?
Sure doesn't seem like it.

All the names I've been called.
And told I'm going straight to you know where just because I don't agree with you because you're not right.
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if. Did not love you, I would let you continue in your way, which does not look good, and praise God about it,because your an enemy and deserve hell.


Even if if I was wrong, I will still not show love by refusing to show you, and allowing you to fall

think about it
 
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blue_ladybug said:
Just because you have taught YOUR faith, does not mean that YOUR faith is OUR faith. YOUR faith is vastly different from MY faith..


You don't have to be in heaven for God to ask you that question. He may very well ask you right here on earth when He returns for us. :)

NO ONE has brain washed ME. I don't put my faith and belief in the teachings of men and churches. MY faith is in Christ and the bible. :eek:

And what's up with you switching your avatar to a younger picture of yourself? Trying to impress Dcon, are ya? ;)


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LOL

Yeah. But he's a tough cookie to crack.

I'll just keep trying.
 
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FranC said:
Good morning Dcon

Nice to see you again.
I wonder if you're still in Australia.
No matter.

Ummm.

Faith AND works are necessary.

Faith without works is dead.


James 2:14
WHAT USE IS IT, if a man says he has FAITH, but he has no works?
CAN FAITH SAVE HIM?

NO!!!!!

Then he goes on to say why:

If someone needs clothing, or food, and someone says to them GO IN PEACE, yet they do NOT DO what is necessary to help the Brother,
WHAT USE IS THAT?

IOW, what's the USE OF HAVING FAITH IF IT BRINGS NO ACTION.

FAITH IF IT HAS NO WORKS, IS DEAD.
James 2:17


BUT SOME MAY SAY: YOU have FAITH
and I HAVE WORKS.

Show me your faith WITHOUT WORKS (James just said there is NO FAITH WITHOUT WORKS)
and I WILL SHOW YOU MY FAITH BY MY WORKS.

So, if you have faith, you will ALSO HAVE WORKS.

FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS A DEAD FAITH.
Dead means it does not exist.


ARE YOU WILLING TO RECOGNIZE, FOOLISH FELLOW, THAT FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS USELESS.


SO...

Some here do say that works follow faith.
SO WHY ARE YOU SO UNWILLING TO SIMPLY STATE THAT WORKS ARE NECESSARY???


Let's see you twist this one around.
It'll be interesting.
Why take anything at face value??
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No need....you take care of that yourself when you say works are necessary for salvation....oblivious to the fact that works are the result OF not FOR.........I pity you.....trusting into works for salvation denies Christ in the process.......MANY will say....and your inability to get past the false religions you have espoused and your inability to see that Galatians condemns a café blend of faith and works FOR salvation will lead to your own demise....tragic day for you Fran!
 
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FranC said:
Did I say I have to be perfect?
I'm far from perfect.
I just boasted about how pretty I am !!!
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Then according to the law your just as guilty as I am, and apart from Grace, headed to hell,

so so why do you fight grace when you just proved you need it as much as we do?

You call it cheap grace. That grace you call cheap had a price, its called the cross, apart from it, no sin will be forgiven.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
if. Did not love you, I would let you continue in your way, which does not look good, and praise God about it,because your an enemy and deserve hell.


Even if if I was wrong, I will still not show love by refusing to show you, and allowing you to fall

think about it
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Did you just tell me I'm an enemy and am going to hell?


 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Then according to the law your just as guilty as I am, and apart from Grace, headed to hell,

so so why do you fight grace when you just proved you need it as much as we do?

You call it cheap grace. That grace you call cheap had a price, its called the cross, apart from it, no sin will be forgiven.
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First sentence:
Correct.

Second sentence:
I don't fight grace.

Third sentence:
Cheap Grace is when you can't even admit that God DEMANDS that we OBEY HIM.
 
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gb9 said:
no one is speaking against obeying God. what the truth is we are not saved by obedience, we are saved by grace. we serve God and do our best to obey BECAUSE we are saved, not to gain or maintain salvation. are you blind to that TRUTH, ms. fran.
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Amen........one cannot even understand the truth without salvation....much less be obedient to it......can you imagine a worker for hooking up a team of horses to a buggy to go to town.....they would perpetually sit in the buggy wondering why they never got anywhere while the horses behind the carriage starved to death..........
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Ahh ha she is back, see how deceptive she is, she did not post the passages of scripture where we posted what the will of God was, namely in john 6, where as mailmandan posted that

40, And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

and I posted...

35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Which proves biblically what the will of the father is,

yet did she she comment on what we really said? No, of course not, she did like she always does, makes it seem like we are in collusion to pat ourselves on the backs when really all I did was say he beat me to posting pretty much the same thing,

insinserity does not not help her case, of course, we are used to it by now, but it is God for newbies to see.
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Of course not......workers for who teach a café blend of faith and works......as deceptive as they come.........just like an accusation hurled yesterday implying I say the bible contradicts itself.........no honesty, implied accusations, twisted and embellished verses out of context and deception beyond a WW2 spy from Germany in England.....
 
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dcontroversal said:
No need....you take care of that yourself when you say works are necessary for salvation....oblivious to the fact that works are the result OF not FOR.........I pity you.....trusting into works for salvation denies Christ in the process.......MANY will say....and your inability to get past the false religions you have espoused and your inability to see that Galatians condemns a café blend of faith and works FOR salvation will lead to your own demise....tragic day for you Fran!
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My demise
A sad day for me


When will you ever tell me something nice??
 
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