Well then we are in agreement,
God does demand we obey him but that does not mean we will be perfect, we will still sin, that's why we need grace,
obeying him will not save us, keep us saved, or maintain our salvation, but your right, God does want and even demand us to obey him
however, what does john say? Those born of God can't sin, because they were born of God. Those born of God do not need taught, because they know all things (concerning the gospel) who are unlike the sinner who has never seen or known God
again, those are the apostle johns words not mine, so what is the argument Fran?
We do do not love sin, it it against our nature, when we sin, it is not normal, it hurts, unlike before. Doing good is normal,and it is why we love to do good,
again, you do not know us Fran, your fighting what you have been tight,p about us like Peter does, not what is reality