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So David was absent from the body and present with the Lord? Why the need for Abraham’s bosom in the heart of the earth?
Let us not conflate .. two different things the experience of God in the OT while on earth and where the Old Testament saints waited.
 
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You are religiously delusional if you actually believe that drivel!
Being new to the present conversation, there may be something I’m not understanding as to why you commented this way decon, but I see nothing wrong with what John said.

Am only addressing where David ended up at his death, not his events of life....did not David end up in Abraham’s bosom? Not heaven which is our destination now because of the blood sacrifice.

My understanding of hell at this OT time is two compartments...with a gulf in between. One for the wicked and the other for the righteous.

Agree?
 

VCO

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So David and the rest of the OT saints were present with the Lord in heaven upon death...Without any blood being shed from the Lord...and I’m delusional...I guess Abraham’s bosom is fictional

You do not think rationally do you? Open your mouth and INSERT FOOT.

GOD's PROMISES are as GOOD AS GOLD, the MOMENT HE Plans them.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
 
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You do not think rationally do you? Open your mouth and INSERT FOOT.

GOD's PROMISES are as GOOD AS GOLD, the MOMENT HE Plans them.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Lol, we weren’t in Christ before time began, but the promises.🤦‍♂️
 

BillG

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Being new to the present conversation, there may be something I’m not understanding as to why you commented this way decon, but I see nothing wrong with what John said.

Am only addressing where David ended up at his death, not his events of life....did not David end up in Abraham’s bosom? Not heaven which is our destination now because of the blood sacrifice.

My understanding of hell at this OT time is two compartments...with a gulf in between. One for the wicked and the other for the righteous.

Agree?
Is it not irrelevant where David, Abraham etc went to when they died?

The issue seems to me that some believe that David, Abraham etc were not saved until Jesus shed his blood and rose again.

Was David, Abraham saved before the death and resurrection of Jesus?

I say yes.

Others say no.
 

BillG

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So David and the rest of the OT saints were present with the Lord in heaven upon death...Without any blood being shed from the Lord...and I’m delusional...I guess Abraham’s bosom is fictional
Its irrelevant, they were saved before Jesus died on the cross.
 
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This would be another thread for discussion and am not trying to cause a rabbit trail here.

My personal opinion would be the righteous received paradise by faith but the bride, the Sons, the presence of Father by faith. Heaven and paradise being two separate places.

Jesus bought us, brought us back to our Father.

agree?