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PennEd

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Those of you who slander OSAS people use the same ole phrase of "license to sin." Can you come up with a new one?
This is how the natural, fleshly mind thinks.

“Well if you are forever born again, and can never lose the Salvation Jesus gave you, then that means you can sin all you like and it doesn’t matter!”

It’s totally devoid of Spiritual discernment in understanding the new creation Christ made us.
 

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This is how the natural, fleshly mind thinks.

“Well if you are forever born again, and can never lose the Salvation Jesus gave you, then that means you can sin all you like and it doesn’t matter!”

It’s totally devoid of Spiritual discernment in understanding the new creation Christ made us.

Amen
 

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I don’t know much but I know enough to see that any definition of salvation which says it’s a permanent state of being irrespective of whether the person’s thinking remains surrendered to or becomes in rebellion of God’s law, redefines salvation as a license to commit deliberate known sin.

Well then you do not understand the act of salvation - given to us - without any works.
 

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(epic eye roll in 3...2...1...)

“Slander” is criticism of one’s character - which I don’t do and don’t care if it’s done to me cause I’m not a snowflake.

Criticism of one’s ideas, however, is not only an individual prerogative, but a DUTY when such ideas are dangerous.

BTW, are you aware of how long the word “Legalist” has been thrown around by the OSAS crowd?
Let me assure you I am no "snowflake." Salvation is not an "idea." BTW do you know how long the sentence "license to sin" has been thrown away by the "works" crowd?
 

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What part of the word "sealed" by the Holy Spirit can one not understand. Who is "forced" to accept or "retain" salvation? Oh my my my. lololol
 

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What part of the word "sealed" by the Holy Spirit can one not understand. Who is "forced" to accept or "retain" salvation? Oh my my my. lololol
I also wonder what part of the phrase 'free gift' don't they understand.

Romans 5:15 (KJV) But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Romans 5:18 (KJV) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Perhaps their concept of 'gift' is not free, but something you must work for.
 

Phoneman-777

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Good to see you posting again bro! Amen and amen to this post
I noticed your tag is Romans 8:1, but you left out
Well then you do not understand the act of salvation - given to us - without any works.
We all know about "Christian Origination" - it's by grace through faith alone.

What the OSAS crowd can't comprehend is "Christian Obligation" - which job description doesn't make even the slightest provision for habitual, impenitent sin, and will result in a saint becoming a former saint bound for hell.
 

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Let me assure you I am no "snowflake."
Glad to hear it. We've got way to many of them as it is.
Salvation is not an "idea." BTW do you know how long the sentence "license to sin" has been thrown away by the "works" crowd?
Why ask me that? It doesn't bother me what words, overused or not, the OSAS crowd uses to criticize their opposition.

Although they're able to see full well that "Legalism = law without love", their inability to see that "License = love without law" exposes their spiritual immaturity. What adult gives a flip about their kid's opinions which are forged in a foundry of incomplete knowledge and experience?
 

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Glad to hear it. We've got way to many of them as it is.
Why ask me that? It doesn't bother me what words, overused or not, the OSAS crowd uses to criticize their opposition.

Although they're able to see full well that "Legalism = law without love", their inability to see that "License = love without law" exposes their spiritual immaturity. What adult gives a flip about their kid's opinions which are forged in a foundry of incomplete knowledge and experience?
You brought up the "overused" issue. Doesn't bother me either because I know the power of my salvation and the eternal length of it depends on the Blood of Jesus and not some "mandate, legalist, work" formula. Incomplete knowledge is a great way to look at those who do not believe salvation is once and for all.
 

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I noticed your tag is Romans 8:1, but you left out
We all know about "Christian Origination" - it's by grace through faith alone.

What the OSAS crowd can't comprehend is "Christian Obligation" - which job description doesn't make even the slightest provision for habitual, impenitent sin, and will result in a saint becoming a former saint bound for hell.[/QU

Well, I have no doubt where my soul is bound for. As for "obligation" there you go once more with "legalism, work, keep, hold onto, etc." I'm filled with the Holy Spirit which has "sealed" me for eternity with my Lord and Savior. Whatever little bit I may accomplish on this earth will be done by, through the power of the Holy Spirit and the leadership of the Holy Spirit
 

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This is how the natural, fleshly mind thinks.

“Well if you are forever born again, and can never lose the Salvation Jesus gave you, then that means you can sin all you like and it doesn’t matter!”

It’s totally devoid of Spiritual discernment in understanding the new creation Christ made us.



Hi PennEd,

That's a very good point. Paul anticipates this charge and then proceeds to give the answer in Romans 6.
 

CherieR

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I noticed your tag is Romans 8:1, but you left out
We all know about "Christian Origination" - it's by grace through faith alone.

What the OSAS crowd can't comprehend is "Christian Obligation" - which job description doesn't make even the slightest provision for habitual, impenitent sin, and will result in a saint becoming a former saint bound for hell.
Phoneman-777 , This Christian Obligation that you speak of sounds to me like working for salvation. How does a Christian know they are engaging in
“ habitual, impenitent sin”? How do you distinguish this sin from the regular sin one does because we all fall short of God’s glory? If salvation is dependent upon not engaging even slightly in habitual impenitent sin , couldn’t losing salvation become in the minds of some a persistent obsession and fear? Why do you believe that Christian Obligation as you speak of has to be added to save? Isn’t the shed blood of the Lord Jesus, his death and resurrection enough? Jesus is able to save us, he doesn’t need our help in the salvation. We need him!
 

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If salvation is dependent upon not engaging even slightly in habitual impenitent sin , couldn’t losing salvation become in the minds of some a persistent obsession and fear? Why do you believe that Christian Obligation as you speak of has to be added to save?
This brings up a good point. If you notice the 'sins' that the legalists bring up, usually fall under the 'wicked and sinful acts' category meanwhile overlooking the fact that our failure to 'do good as we ought' is just as sinful.
IOW, who can claim...

Mark 12:30-31 (KJV) And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

...that they keep these 24/7, except Jesus Christ, 'our righteousness'?
 

wattie

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Yes to those who bring up the license to sin response.

Jesus gives eternal life, promises to never leave, guarantees a place in heaven, is with you thru all struggles..

What is the response?
 

BillG

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Yes to those who bring up the license to sin response.

Jesus gives eternal life, promises to never leave, guarantees a place in heaven, is with you thru all struggles..

What is the response?
Us OSAS always saved greasy gracers use the grace of God to sin all we want. We have no regard or respect of what Jesus paid for us on the cross. Let's face it he died on the cross so we could sin all we could sin all we want.

We have never read what Paul addressed with this it Roamns 5-6
Paul didn't really mean that we shouldn't use grace as a license to sin.
We don't take to heart that Jesus said to be like him. To walk the way he has asked us to and endeavour to do so.

What a load of trash and slander do those accuse of believing in eternal security when we

Romans 10:8-11
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

Shame on you who accuse of using grace a license to sin when we truly love Jesus and want to be like, not to be saved but because we are.

You don't even have the courtesy to ask us if think it's ok to sin. You just assumed.
And if you do ask us and we say no, if you don't ask us and we say no you still accuse us.

Shame on you.
 

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Titus 2:11-13 (KJV) For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
 

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What part of the word "sealed" by the Holy Spirit can one not understand. Who is "forced" to accept or "retain" salvation? Oh my my my. lololol

SEALED by the HOLY SPIRIT, means no human being can BREAK IT, not even SELF.

Deuteronomy 32:34 (NASB)
34 'Is it not laid up in store with Me, Sealed up in My treasuries?

And what they WILLINGLY forget, is what HE said at the Last Supper.

1 Corinthians 11:25-26 (NCV)
25 In the same way, after they ate, Jesus took the cup. He said, “This cup is the new agreement
that is sealed with the blood of my death. When you drink this, do it to remember me.“

26 Every time you eat this bread and drink this cup you are telling others about the Lord’s death until he comes.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 (HCSB)
21 Now it is God who strengthens us, with you, in Christ and has anointed us.
22 He has also sealed us and given us the Spirit as a down payment in our hearts.

The Holy Spirit has been given to us as a DOWN PAYMENT that we will be SAVED. No Down Payment, means NO SALVATION.

Ephesians 1:13-14 (HCSB)
13 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation {Not Afterwards}, and when you believed in Him, you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
14 He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.

Ephesians 4:30-32 (HCSB)
30 And don’t grieve God’s Holy Spirit. You were sealed by Him for the day of redemption.
31 All bitterness, anger and wrath, shouting and slander must be removed from you, along with all malice.
32 And be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving one another, just as God also forgave you in Christ.

THAT verse 32 is NOT TO GET SAVED. That Ship Sailed the day we first genuinely BELIEVED an TRUSTED in HIM, transported OUR Citizenship to HEAVEN. We do those kind of things because of HIS LOVE IS NOW IN US, creating a NEW NATURE within us, BECAUSE GOD's LOVE IS IN OUR HEARTS, ROM. 5:5, and will NEVER LEAVE US.
 

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So if "sealed by the Holy Spirit" means it cannot be broken (and I believe this) how in the world can we OSAS people possibly lose our salvation? We have the Holy Spirit to help us and when our fleshly side takes over, doesn't the Holy Spirit convict us? He has sealed us and is with us so how can we be called people with license to sin?