Not By Works

[Everlasting-Grace]

Doesn't matter. Someone truly saved should be doing works that God sees.

someone truly saved WILL do works

when you say should your putting the onus on them and placing them under law.

 

[lrs68]

If you did not know king david, and learned of him during his sin with bathsheba and her husband,

By your own defenition, you would think he was not a man after Gods own heart.

do not judge people you can not know.. and the HS is not going to come and tell you this person is saved and this person is not. He has more important things to do

Everyone has a past.
Every Believer is instructed through the Lord's Prayer to seek forgiveness daily. But it doesn't mean you lost your Salvation.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

They demonstrate who you belong to between God and Satan.

lol.. again, satan comes as an angel of light.

he will send people to you who appear to be angels of good and of light.

Don;t believe everything you see and hear.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I am perfected by the works of Jesus.

so you are not working to keep salvation? what happens if you stop working (a prodigal son)

 

[lrs68]

thats different then telling a person they are saved or not saved

again, totally different.

No one said anything about telling a person whether they are saved or not. We're talking about what the Bible shows us that a true Believer should be doing.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You limit God by this response.

No

I am warning someone who thinks they have it all and they can determine things only God can know.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Everyone has a past.
Every Believer is instructed through the Lord's Prayer to seek forgiveness daily. But it doesn't mean you lost your Salvation.

david did not lose his salvation.

so by what you just said. works are not required.. if they were required. then salvation would be lost (see how a word can change the meaning)

 

[lrs68]

someone truly saved WILL do works

when you say should your putting the onus on them and placing them under law.

The Law is not about works but about living a lifestyle different from the rest of humanity.

And today, being a Christian is also about living a life that's different from the rest of humanity.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

No one said anything about telling a person whether they are saved or not. We're talking about what the Bible shows us that a true Believer should be doing.

No

You said you could determine if a person was saved or not.

Some of us have the Holy Spirit Gift of Discernment.
Whether you like it or not, Discernment means you can sense if a person is being truthful or not. Which also means that the Holy Spirit is judging those people and letting you know it.

 

[lrs68]

lol.. again, satan comes as an angel of light.

he will send people to you who appear to be angels of good and of light.

Don;t believe everything you see and hear.

If you are deceived by Satan you probably are not as saved as you believe. Paul wrote that to people that haven't been saved as long as we are in this discussion.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The Law is not about works but about living a lifestyle different from the rest of humanity.

no actually it was given to lead us to christ. to prove to each of us we can not keep Gods demand.

And today, being a Christian is also about living a life that's different from the rest of humanity.

yes that's what we should do.. but we are not saved or not saved based on how good we are at doing this

 

[lrs68]

so you are not working to keep salvation? what happens if you stop working (a prodigal son)

I said my works that God has me do reflects upon WHO I serve and is master of my life.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

If you are deceived by Satan you probably are not as saved as you believe.

so how saved would I be?

Paul wrote that to people that haven't been saved as long as we are in this discussion.

did he? or did he write to people trying to mix law and grace. works and grace?

 

[lrs68]

No

I am warning someone who thinks they have it all and they can determine things only God can know.

Ok

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I said my works that God has me do reflects upon WHO I serve and is master of my life.

can a person lose salvation because they do not do enough works?

 

[lrs68]

david did not lose his salvation.

so by what you just said. works are not required.. if they were required. then salvation would be lost (see how a word can change the meaning)

No one said David did lose his Salvation but he did repent when he was reminded of them.

 

[lrs68]

No

You said you could determine if a person was saved or not.

I said the Holy Spirit is telling a person with Discernment whether or not someone is being honest.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

No one said David did lose his Salvation but he did repent when he was reminded of them.

if he did not repent. would he still be saved.

why are you dodging the question?

You said works are required. are they or not?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I said the Holy Spirit is telling a person with Discernment whether or not someone is being honest.

God does not do this.

 

[lrs68]

no actually it was given to lead us to christ. to prove to each of us we can not keep Gods demand.




yes that's what we should do.. but we are not saved or not saved based on how good we are at doing this

It's a separation from everyone else. God separates His people from everyone else.