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BillG

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If I claim to be saved I typically would be saying it to someone listening to me talk.

If God healed me a stranger would not know that but a verbal Testimony would explain that.
You are aware that there are people who talk to talk but don't walk the talk?
 

lrs68

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Do you assume whi is saved and who is not?

Yes or no is suffice.
This is merely a discussion based upon the Bibles examples and facts. That is what I am talking about. I only judge my own walk with God because that's who I am responsible for. Now, as a person with family, friends, and other known people that God has placed within my life I am responsible for sharing God with them. If they proclaim to be saved then I believe they should be like the examples of the Bible as I am supposed to be to them.
 

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You are aware that there are people who talk to talk but don't walk the talk?
Some of us have the Holy Spirit Gift of Discernment.
Whether you like it or not, Discernment means you can sense if a person is being truthful or not. Which also means that the Holy Spirit is judging those people and letting you know it.
 

BillG

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This is merely a discussion based upon the Bibles examples and facts. That is what I am talking about. I only judge my own walk with God because that's who I am responsible for. Now, as a person with family, friends, and other known people that God has placed within my life I am responsible for sharing God with them. If they proclaim to be saved then I believe they should be like the examples of the Bible as I am supposed to be to them.
Ok
 

BillG

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Some of us have the Holy Spirit Gift of Discernment.
Whether you like it or not, Discernment means you can sense if a person is being truthful or not. Which also means that the Holy Spirit is judging those people and letting you know it.
Ok
 

BillG

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Matthew 13:24-30

The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”
 

BillG

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I'll go with what Jesus says.
He decides and not you.
I sincerely hope you don't just write people off without talking to them why they don't act as a child of God before you condemn them.

You know people like me who were servely sexually abused as a child.
Let's leave it at that.
 

lrs68

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I'll go with what Jesus says.
He decides and not you.
Amen!
That's why I said the Holy Spirit let's those with Discernment know and not the human being knows
I sincerely hope you don't just write people off without talking to them why they don't act as a child of God before you condemn them.
I wait for the Holy Spirit to tell me
You know people like me who were servely sexually abused as a child.
Let's leave it at that
You did come at me with a barrage of posts and it felt like a defensive position. I know that from seeing that in other ways with people who have been traumatized in their lives. But it wasn't a judgement position by me but rather wondering if somehow I mentioned something that you believed I was saying towards you. But I assure my posts were solely based upon what we can plainly read in the Bible (y)
 

BillG

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Amen!
That's why I said the Holy Spirit let's those with Discernment know and not the human being knows

I wait for the Holy Spirit to tell me

You did come at me with a barrage of posts and it felt like a defensive position. I know that from seeing that in other ways with people who have been traumatized in their lives. But it wasn't a judgement position by me but rather wondering if somehow I mentioned something that you believed I was saying towards you. But I assure my posts were solely based upon what we can plainly read in the Bible (y)
It wasn't a defensive position as such for me.
It's just that I know of people who just write people off who don't conform to what they believe. It happened to me.

I have and do walk with several people with severe trauma who have been written off because they don't behave.

And to be honest I think you have come across like that.
 

lrs68

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It wasn't a defensive position as such for me.
It's just that I know of people who just write people off who don't conform to what they believe. It happened to me.

I have and do walk with several people with severe trauma who have been written off because they don't behave.

And to be honest I think you have come across like that.
But I hope and believe if you were to go back and read my posts with thinking about this is how the Bible claims it might allow you to see that my answers were based on Biblical examples.
 
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You said they didn't have finances to give so I said they could provide a Testimony. Now you are talking about doing something. They can take people somewhere or help them in other ways but you are talking in circles.
people who are saved do not go around boasting in their works..
 
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We all agree that our initial salvation is achieved independently of any works we have done up to that point.

All your citations use the past tense: He saved us. So it is talking about a past event, our initial salvation, not a present event. Do you have any verses that say anything like "He is saving us regardless of any works being done in wickedness... "?

Or anything like, "He will be saving us in the first resurrection regardless of any works of wickedness we did or are doing ... "?
we are saved or not saved

there is no such thing as initial salvation. this is a catholic falacy inserted into the church
 

BillG

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But I hope and believe if you were to go back and read my posts with thinking about this is how the Bible claims it might allow you to see that my answers were based on Biblical examples.
How would you interpret the following

The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field;
25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.
26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.
27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’
28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’
29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”