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Sadly BillG your words about being attacked and condemned were spot on.
It's very sad to see.
Religion is a cruel task-master. It is a system of control and spiritual manipulation that is characterized by it's sin-management programs which actually nullify the very grace of God in Christ that is needed for true transformation by the Holy Spirit. 2 Cor. 3:17-18
LOL!! Jesus became an ant? I'd love to know where in the bible you found that silly notion.. If Jesus became an ant, to teach the ants not to fall in the fire, does He become satan to teach us how to not be tempted? Does He become a patch of black ice to teach us not to drive in icy weather? Jesus became an ant, who'd of thunk it.. 
LOL!! Jesus became an ant? I'd love to know where in the bible you found that silly notion.. If Jesus became an ant, to teach the ants not to fall in the fire, does He become satan to teach us how to not be tempted? Does He become a patch of black ice to teach us not to drive in icy weather? Jesus became an ant, who'd of thunk it..
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Hey Blue.....glad to see you back again HAH give us some wisdom.....we are all waiting....
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Hey Blue.....glad to see you back again HAH give us some wisdom.....we are all waiting....
Sadly BillG your words about being attacked and condemned were spot on.
It's very sad to see.
Religion is a cruel task-master. It is a system of control and spiritual manipulation that is characterized by it's sin-management programs which actually nullify the very grace of God in Christ that is needed for true transformation by the Holy Spirit. 2 Cor. 3:17-18
Yeah, you would stand with them in the forums arguing because they back you up in your arguments, not because you're concerned for their health & welfare.
Anxiety & depression can cause heart attacks due to the emotional pressure they're under.
It's a recipe for disaster.
BTW, yes it does take guts to admit it..... It also takes guts to tell your friends the truth, instead of allowing them to play Russian Roulette with their health & sanity.
Anxiety & depression can cause heart attacks due to the emotional pressure they're under.
It's a recipe for disaster.
BTW, yes it does take guts to admit it..... It also takes guts to tell your friends the truth, instead of allowing them to play Russian Roulette with their health & sanity.
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LOL!! Jesus became an ant? I'd love to know where in the bible you found that silly notion.. If Jesus became an ant, to teach the ants not to fall in the fire, does He become satan to teach us how to not be tempted? Does He become a patch of black ice to teach us not to drive in icy weather? Jesus became an ant, who'd of thunk it..
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Not sure if Fran accepted imputed righteousness or rejects it like Willybob.
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I thought the Biblical definition for faith was it is the substance of things hoped for and evidence of what we don't see. Without Christ I don't have truth; without faith in Christ I don't have the substance needed to be obedient; Without Christ I don't have a pure heart; the very essence of my being righteous before God all depends on Him; that is all I hope for and Christ Jesus is all the evidence I'll ever need. He is the total spiritual sum of our faith. If you think you have to add your own righteousness by faith, you, IMHO, are walking such a fine line on a slippery very steep slope that I would fear to walk.
Wow, that is really dangerous too. What was said to make you say that Ariel is a rebel to God's word? I am trying to understand where you're coming from. Honestly, I didn't see any rebellion; I agree with what Ariel said; so, according to you, I am in rebellion too. Are you sure you want to go there friend? With all due respect, I wish I could repent and apologize for you. It is only through Christ that we can do righteously. All glory to God.
Wow, that is really dangerous too. What was said to make you say that Ariel is a rebel to God's word? I am trying to understand where you're coming from. Honestly, I didn't see any rebellion; I agree with what Ariel said; so, according to you, I am in rebellion too. Are you sure you want to go there friend? With all due respect, I wish I could repent and apologize for you. It is only through Christ that we can do righteously. All glory to God.
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I have the guts to confess my sins/difficulties on here. No offense to anyone, but I probably have more moxie than many of the men (or women) here.. If we are afraid to confess our sins to each other, HOW on earth will we have the courage it will take to confess them to God? If we fear "sharks", then we truly are cowards indeed..
No offense to anyone, but I probably have more moxie than many of the men (or women) here.. If we are afraid to confess our sins to each other, HOW on earth will we have the courage it will take to confess them to God? If we fear "sharks", then we truly are cowards indeed..
Firstly, I do not say you say this or that.
Secondly Amen, "it should be every believer's goal to not sin but we all stumble and fall short of that goal"
Now I agree partly with your first part of this statement,
"it should be every believer's goal to not sin"
There is no "should", as a believer this is our goal, to be like Jesus.
The second statement I do not agree with
"we all stumble and fall short of that goal"
"we all might stumble, but in the end we will make the goal."
Now buried in this language is the idea of inevitability of failure.
As soon as one says something is inevitable, you have said compromise is ok.
Or another way of saying this, we are slaves to sin and can never be free.
Or every second of the day we are sinning.
Or though we are washed, purified, made clean, we are sinner in sin no matter what.
From my perspective this is just defeatest language and the equivalent of saying its
ok to sin, God expects nothing else.
Now this is my point. You use language in a particular way.
I tell you my interpretation of this language and my understanding of its reality.
Do you understand I am not saying you believe this, or do say sinning is acceptable.
But I do say this is equivalent to saying this.
Paul talking about being perfect.
I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.
Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
Phil 3:12-14
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
Rom 6:1-2
The excuse for sin appears to be, "we can not help it"
Paul would say you are walking in the flesh as a slave to the flesh and not walking in the Spirit.
Not only that, by me showing you this reality you accuse me of sinning and lying. It is so
appalling, not only do you hold up sinful behaviour as a badge of honesty you condemn those
who say this is not the way of Christ as liars and legalists.
But those who are lost in sin hate the light and would rather walk in darkness. James says this
Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.
James 4:7-10
You know the sin your conscience condemns yourself for doing. Listen to Paul again
My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.
1 Cor 4:4-5
If your conscience condemns you, sort it out, look to the work, delve in your heart
in prayer, resolve the issues before God. It is here the truth lies.
Again Paul describes it like this.
Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food.
Rom 14:19
Everything that does not come from faith is sin.
Rom 14:23
The upshot of this is simple. If you think thinking an aggressive thought about someone
is sin, and you are guilty before the Lord, then it is sin for you.
So if you make the law and its mark so high, you are in continual sin, then you literally
expel yourself from the Kingdom of Heaven, as well as condemn anyone who does not
measure up to your mark.
You need to learn Gods mark, His love and reality, and how he regards His people.
Paul said it like this
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Rom 12:2
You appear to be judging as legalists to fail people in any way possible.
This has never been Gods intention or Spirit. He would rather include
all who can be cleansed and purified, even those from the streets, failures
and beggars.
Secondly Amen, "it should be every believer's goal to not sin but we all stumble and fall short of that goal"
Now I agree partly with your first part of this statement,
"it should be every believer's goal to not sin"
There is no "should", as a believer this is our goal, to be like Jesus.
The second statement I do not agree with
"we all stumble and fall short of that goal"
"we all might stumble, but in the end we will make the goal."
Now buried in this language is the idea of inevitability of failure.
As soon as one says something is inevitable, you have said compromise is ok.
Or another way of saying this, we are slaves to sin and can never be free.
Or every second of the day we are sinning.
Or though we are washed, purified, made clean, we are sinner in sin no matter what.
From my perspective this is just defeatest language and the equivalent of saying its
ok to sin, God expects nothing else.
Now this is my point. You use language in a particular way.
I tell you my interpretation of this language and my understanding of its reality.
Do you understand I am not saying you believe this, or do say sinning is acceptable.
But I do say this is equivalent to saying this.
Paul talking about being perfect.
I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.
Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
Phil 3:12-14
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
Rom 6:1-2
The excuse for sin appears to be, "we can not help it"
Paul would say you are walking in the flesh as a slave to the flesh and not walking in the Spirit.
Not only that, by me showing you this reality you accuse me of sinning and lying. It is so
appalling, not only do you hold up sinful behaviour as a badge of honesty you condemn those
who say this is not the way of Christ as liars and legalists.
But those who are lost in sin hate the light and would rather walk in darkness. James says this
Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.
James 4:7-10
You know the sin your conscience condemns yourself for doing. Listen to Paul again
My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God.
1 Cor 4:4-5
If your conscience condemns you, sort it out, look to the work, delve in your heart
in prayer, resolve the issues before God. It is here the truth lies.
Again Paul describes it like this.
Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food.
Rom 14:19
Everything that does not come from faith is sin.
Rom 14:23
The upshot of this is simple. If you think thinking an aggressive thought about someone
is sin, and you are guilty before the Lord, then it is sin for you.
So if you make the law and its mark so high, you are in continual sin, then you literally
expel yourself from the Kingdom of Heaven, as well as condemn anyone who does not
measure up to your mark.
You need to learn Gods mark, His love and reality, and how he regards His people.
Paul said it like this
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Rom 12:2
You appear to be judging as legalists to fail people in any way possible.
This has never been Gods intention or Spirit. He would rather include
all who can be cleansed and purified, even those from the streets, failures
and beggars.
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OK DC, I take IC paroxetine for anxiety because I've went thru a lot of stuff including verbal abuse.. All your caps and ways of expression make me anxious.. instead of being honest and dragging up all my problems I asked where your love was... Maybe I didn't use the best words but again I have anxiety and wasn't calm when I wrote them...... To which you replied as you did even tho you have so many years experience on me.. Should tact be involved when responding because you don't know..
Here is some truth for y'all. Jesus died ONCE to save us from our sins. Past, present, AND future sins. Once you are saved, you are saved for life, UNLESS you flat-out deny that God, Jesus and the HS do, or have ever, existed.. People can say "oh I stopped believing in God" for whatever reason, and they may mean it, but God knows their heart and if they truly mean it, or if they're just caught up in a bad situation and are too overwhelmed to think clearly about their faith and belief.
So for those who view their salvation as a "daily cookie", I'm sorry to burst your bubble but God isn't a baker. He doesn't sit up in heaven baking endless batches of cookies to dole out to us every day. Nor does he hand out daily salvation. THAT price was paid for long ago, once and for all time.
So for those who view their salvation as a "daily cookie", I'm sorry to burst your bubble but God isn't a baker. He doesn't sit up in heaven baking endless batches of cookies to dole out to us every day.
Nor does he hand out daily salvation. THAT price was paid for long ago, once and for all time.
Here is some truth for y'all. Jesus died ONCE to save us from our sins. Past, present, AND future sins. Once you are saved, you are saved for life, UNLESS you flat-out deny that God, Jesus and the HS do, or have ever, existed.. People can say "oh I stopped believing in God" for whatever reason, and they may mean it, but God knows their heart and if they truly mean it, or if they're just caught up in a bad situation and are too overwhelmed to think clearly about their faith and belief.
So for those who view their salvation as a "daily cookie", I'm sorry to burst your bubble but God isn't a baker. He doesn't sit up in heaven baking endless batches of cookies to dole out to us every day. Nor does he hand out daily salvation. THAT price was paid for long ago, once and for all time.
So for those who view their salvation as a "daily cookie", I'm sorry to burst your bubble but God isn't a baker. He doesn't sit up in heaven baking endless batches of cookies to dole out to us every day.
Nor does he hand out daily salvation. THAT price was paid for long ago, once and for all time.