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To clarify....you said church traditions G777.
However I believe when you teach that "the Holy spirit doesn't convict believers of their sins"; it is an attack against the Church as a whole.
It cause people to rebel against God when he does tell them they are sinning and need to stop, because they reject God's chastened and conviction (since they have believed the lie that God doesn't convict them of sins). Instead they attempt to claim that Jesus blood covers their rebellion, which is false.
God shows what is right and wrong in each believer's life. We have to choose..do we agree with God or do we rebel and tell God we didn't do anything wrong?
Do we ask for help to overcome or do we say we are is must fine as we are?
Yes we overcome by focusing on Jesus and who He makes us.
However babies aren't born fully mature. We have to allow parts of us to die so that the new might grow...old fleshly thoughts must decrease as the new spirit-filled thoughts increases.
However I believe when you teach that "the Holy spirit doesn't convict believers of their sins"; it is an attack against the Church as a whole.
It cause people to rebel against God when he does tell them they are sinning and need to stop, because they reject God's chastened and conviction (since they have believed the lie that God doesn't convict them of sins). Instead they attempt to claim that Jesus blood covers their rebellion, which is false.
God shows what is right and wrong in each believer's life. We have to choose..do we agree with God or do we rebel and tell God we didn't do anything wrong?
Do we ask for help to overcome or do we say we are is must fine as we are?
Yes we overcome by focusing on Jesus and who He makes us.
However babies aren't born fully mature. We have to allow parts of us to die so that the new might grow...old fleshly thoughts must decrease as the new spirit-filled thoughts increases.
examine context and truth of scripture , how can the truth set you free, if you believe a lie to be true.
but sin is not counted where there is no law.
you need a law ,to be accountable or to deem what a sin is.
christian are not saved by a law, they are saved by a saviour.
and not by some religion, that cannot prove there own faith, from scripture
but sin is not counted where there is no law.
you need a law ,to be accountable or to deem what a sin is.
christian are not saved by a law, they are saved by a saviour.
and not by some religion, that cannot prove there own faith, from scripture
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Righteousness IS NOT TRANSFERABLE anywhere within the bible...neither is sin transferable....let no man deceive you; he that does righteousness is righteous, and he that sins is of the devil, said the apostle John....
the free gift is forgiveness and mercy by God for past sins upon those that confess and forsake their sin, however God's mercy will not fall upon the unrepentant, Exodus 34...............give up the vain traditions of men and seek God face to face.....
the free gift is forgiveness and mercy by God for past sins upon those that confess and forsake their sin, however God's mercy will not fall upon the unrepentant, Exodus 34...............give up the vain traditions of men and seek God face to face.....
Thank you for being truthful about what I said.
I disagree however that the knowledge that our sins are forgiven and that the Holy Spirit does not convict us of sins but of our righteousness in Christ instead - that this will lead people to be worse off. I believe the complete opposite will happen.
As Paul says to the most carnal church - the Corinthians to "Awake to righteousness and sin not". Awake means to " sober up and to come to one's true self".
Wake up to who you really are in Christ - "be" who you truly are in the new creation in Christ that has been created in righteousness and holiness.
When we behold the goodness/glory of the Lord with the eyes of our inner man in Christ that we are the righteousness of God in Christ - we will manifest this righteousness as we are transformed by the Holy Spirit to renew our minds. Sin will fall off our lives like dead leaves on a tree.
Walking by the spirit will always stop the lusts of the flesh that want to do "it's" desires.
I disagree however that the knowledge that our sins are forgiven and that the Holy Spirit does not convict us of sins but of our righteousness in Christ instead - that this will lead people to be worse off. I believe the complete opposite will happen.
As Paul says to the most carnal church - the Corinthians to "Awake to righteousness and sin not". Awake means to " sober up and to come to one's true self".
Wake up to who you really are in Christ - "be" who you truly are in the new creation in Christ that has been created in righteousness and holiness.
When we behold the goodness/glory of the Lord with the eyes of our inner man in Christ that we are the righteousness of God in Christ - we will manifest this righteousness as we are transformed by the Holy Spirit to renew our minds. Sin will fall off our lives like dead leaves on a tree.
Walking by the spirit will always stop the lusts of the flesh that want to do "it's" desires.
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but sin is not counted where there is no law.
why are you repenting. when did cornilous ,repent to get the holy spirit. acts 10
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
you need a law ,to be accountable or to deem what a sin is.
why are you repenting. when did cornilous ,repent to get the holy spirit. acts 10
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
you need a law ,to be accountable or to deem what a sin is.
I am not twisting your response, I am not agreeing with it.
I realised inside ourselves we play a story that we believe is us.
It struck me some time ago, we are different than the picture we project.
So then I thought, how would you summarise an individual?
The concrete things are our actions, and how we do things. They are proof
of what is within.
Imagine you could see it all. I think you would get a pretty clear idea who and what
they are. It is not we earn something by who we are, it is there is no place to hide,
God knows and sees all the secrets of man.
It is why the place alone often defines us and our understanding of the Lord.
There is no audience between us and the Lord in this place.
I realised inside ourselves we play a story that we believe is us.
It struck me some time ago, we are different than the picture we project.
So then I thought, how would you summarise an individual?
The concrete things are our actions, and how we do things. They are proof
of what is within.
Imagine you could see it all. I think you would get a pretty clear idea who and what
they are. It is not we earn something by who we are, it is there is no place to hide,
God knows and sees all the secrets of man.
It is why the place alone often defines us and our understanding of the Lord.
There is no audience between us and the Lord in this place.
What is conviction of sins?
G7 makes a good point, the Holy Spirit is not a rule enforcer.
Have you ever walked into a spotless house where everything is neat and tidy?
Or seen a white suit, clean crisp, spotless.
When you then look at your own things you see the faults, the failures, the loss
of ability. It is us seeing in the light see our failure and are convicted.
God just has to be God and we have to be brutally honest about ourselves.
So everything about God convicts us, there is no one issue, dwelling with
the most High is to be humbled.
The rebellion centers on denying seeing God shows our sin, then to remove
the knowledge of conviction and claim we are ok.
Both realities people are denying, and they will continue to walk in darkness.
To see God is to be convicted. To not be convicted, you have not seen God.
To strut into an arena, blaspheme the Lord and no one blinks, shows the spiritual
poverty of many. It is like a game show, of who can win the lucky prize.
Make no mistake judgement will fall, God is not mocked. In Gods time, things will
work to completion.
G7 makes a good point, the Holy Spirit is not a rule enforcer.
Have you ever walked into a spotless house where everything is neat and tidy?
Or seen a white suit, clean crisp, spotless.
When you then look at your own things you see the faults, the failures, the loss
of ability. It is us seeing in the light see our failure and are convicted.
God just has to be God and we have to be brutally honest about ourselves.
So everything about God convicts us, there is no one issue, dwelling with
the most High is to be humbled.
The rebellion centers on denying seeing God shows our sin, then to remove
the knowledge of conviction and claim we are ok.
Both realities people are denying, and they will continue to walk in darkness.
To see God is to be convicted. To not be convicted, you have not seen God.
To strut into an arena, blaspheme the Lord and no one blinks, shows the spiritual
poverty of many. It is like a game show, of who can win the lucky prize.
Make no mistake judgement will fall, God is not mocked. In Gods time, things will
work to completion.
The snake in the garden said, Did God say you would die?
To know God is to be convicted of our failure, yet where is the verse that says God
convicts us? We do not need a verse our hearts cry out in conviction, which is why
the ex-legalists want a free pass and do not believe in resolution.
Lying and distorting is always his game, and the biggest lies are the best, until you
shine a light on them.
To know God is to be convicted of our failure, yet where is the verse that says God
convicts us? We do not need a verse our hearts cry out in conviction, which is why
the ex-legalists want a free pass and do not believe in resolution.
Lying and distorting is always his game, and the biggest lies are the best, until you
shine a light on them.
Hi RS
I don't know to whom you're speaking.
If you reply to me, please use the quote feature.
I find that there is a great deal of misunderstanding between the O.C. and the N.C.
It would seem that under the O.C. we are under the Law and under the N.C. we are not.
You yourself have stated that there is no sin where there is no Law.
So, the question becomes IS THERE A LAW?
Or did it just CHANGE?
Did God take the Law from a piece of stone upon which it was written when given to Moses...
And did He place it in a heart of flesh as promised in Ezekiel 36.26...
Or was the Law done away with, discarded, abolished?
Are we to believe JESUS or not?
Did Jesus not say that He DID NOT come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. Make it more complete, make it BETTER.
Mathew 5:17
In fact, JESUS says that not one iota of the Law shall pass. Many here know Greek, apparently, and will know that IOTA means not even one little letter of the Law.
So since you say that we need a Law to be accountable for sin and you believe there is no Law...
Could you please show me where JESUS says this?
Thanks.
I don't know to whom you're speaking.
If you reply to me, please use the quote feature.
I find that there is a great deal of misunderstanding between the O.C. and the N.C.
It would seem that under the O.C. we are under the Law and under the N.C. we are not.
You yourself have stated that there is no sin where there is no Law.
So, the question becomes IS THERE A LAW?
Or did it just CHANGE?
Did God take the Law from a piece of stone upon which it was written when given to Moses...
And did He place it in a heart of flesh as promised in Ezekiel 36.26...
Or was the Law done away with, discarded, abolished?
Are we to believe JESUS or not?
Did Jesus not say that He DID NOT come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. Make it more complete, make it BETTER.
Mathew 5:17
In fact, JESUS says that not one iota of the Law shall pass. Many here know Greek, apparently, and will know that IOTA means not even one little letter of the Law.
So since you say that we need a Law to be accountable for sin and you believe there is no Law...
Could you please show me where JESUS says this?
Thanks.
when did you have the same IQ as the snake in the garden.
so by reading the bible, you have came into some logic or understanding about god.
it was the punishment from god, that caused death. to stop man thinking he has the same IQ and understanding that god has.
22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever--Genesis 3
after all the jewish tryed to kill gods son, with the law god, gave mosses, thinking they were doing god a faviour.
so by reading the bible, you have came into some logic or understanding about god.
it was the punishment from god, that caused death. to stop man thinking he has the same IQ and understanding that god has.
22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever--Genesis 3
after all the jewish tryed to kill gods son, with the law god, gave mosses, thinking they were doing god a faviour.
I just got here.
You expect me to read all your posts or you won't answer?
WHAT CONTEXT?
You're saying there is no Law.
Can't you show me where JESUS said that the Law has been abolished???
It's a simple request.
If you can't, you can't.
Because Jesus NEVER said that the LAW is abolished.
In fact, He made it MORE DIFFICULT to follow it.
You expect me to read all your posts or you won't answer?
WHAT CONTEXT?
You're saying there is no Law.
Can't you show me where JESUS said that the Law has been abolished???
It's a simple request.
If you can't, you can't.
Because Jesus NEVER said that the LAW is abolished.
In fact, He made it MORE DIFFICULT to follow it.