Not By Works

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8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.


There is no contradiction.
SAVED UNTO is not SAVED BY<----man you would think you guys would have a better grasp on English....another working for cake taker from the U.K.......must be the Anglican coming out in you..
 

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Based upon your last two posts....not quite pal..............it seems obvious that most Brits do not understand the word CONTEXT......there are a few...but so far it seems that most do not....!
Rich coming from you the author of this thread.
 
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Titus3

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For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. 4But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

I believe this is also all accompanying the Truth... no contradiction or bewitching

Quote the part of that verse that states that works save........we will wait for it.....doubtful though because it does not say that works save........again CONTEXT......here I will help you open your eyes....

con·text
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noun
noun: context; plural noun: contexts

  • the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
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    frame of reference, contextual relationship;
    text, subject, theme, topic
    "a quote taken out of context"



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    • the parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.
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SAVED UNTO is not SAVED BY<----man you would think you guys would have a better grasp on English....another working for cake taker from the U.K.......must be the Anglican coming out in you..
Saved unto? Saved by? Anglican?
 

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Based upon your last two posts....not quite pal..............it seems obvious that most Brits do not understand the word CONTEXT......there are a few...but so far it seems that most do not....!
I know it.

I received this on my iPhone the other day. It said

You have won £250 cash or tickets to an Elvis tribute show.
Press 1 for the money or
2 for the show.

Now that's a context:cool:
 
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Rich coming from you the author of this thread.
Do you have anything of value....post 10 verses in context that state works save......

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe <----NO works

For by Grace have you been saved by faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God, not of works lest any many should boast <-----No works

He that believes on the Son shall be saved <---No works

They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." <---No works

And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace <--No works

that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved <---No works

For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith <--No works

so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. <--No works

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life <--No works

He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." <--No works

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. <--No works

For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."<--No works

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,<--No works

but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.<--No works

Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."<--No works

"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.<--No works

and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.<--No works

But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth<--No works

obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.<--No works

You will have to get up early, eat your Wheaties and then twist the bible into a pretzel to make it teach works salvation pal.....!
 

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Quote the part of that verse that states that works save........we will wait for it.....doubtful though because it does not say that works save........again CONTEXT......here I will help you open your eyes....

con·text
ˈkäntekst/
noun
noun: context; plural noun: contexts

  • the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
    "the decision was taken within the context of planned cuts in spending"
    [TABLE="class: vk_tbl vk_gy"]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
    [TD]circumstances, conditions, factors, state of affairs, situation, background, scene, setting More"the wider historical context"



    frame of reference, contextual relationship;
    text, subject, theme, topic
    "a quote taken out of context"


    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    • the parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.
      "word processing is affected by the context in which words appear"



You should seek to open your own eyes... you are in error and defending yourself. Why should one be careful to maintain good works?
 

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I know it.

I received this on my iPhone the other day. It said

You have won £250 cash or tickets to an Elvis tribute show.
Press 1 for the money or
2 for the show.

Now that's a context:cool:
3 for the lady on the radio
4 might be the one you'll never know, you'll never know
If only there was a better way to go
 
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You should seek to open your own eyes... you are in error and defending yourself. Why should one be careful to maintain good works?

Ok....let us try this one more time....do you understand English? .....Do you understand the RESULT of one's action?

Faith into the work of Christ IS WHAT SAVES A MAN....end of story.......

THE RESULT of the FAITH and SALVATION one ALREADY POSSESSES <----any work produced and or fruit.

THE WORKS/FRUIT do NOT SAVE, KEEP SAVED or FINISH OFF SALVATION.........

FAITH plus WORKS to GAIN, FINISH, KEEP salvation = a false GOSPEL other than the GOSPEL PAUL preached.....it is DOUBLE CURSED, FAKE, a FRAUD and has NO POWER

GALATIANS 1 and 3
 

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Do you have anything of value....post 10 verses in context that state works save......

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe <----NO works

For by Grace have you been saved by faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God, not of works lest any many should boast <-----No works

He that believes on the Son shall be saved <---No works

They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." <---No works

And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace <--No works

that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved <---No works

For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith <--No works

so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. <--No works

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life <--No works

He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." <--No works

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. <--No works

For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."<--No works

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,<--No works

but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.<--No works

Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."<--No works

"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.<--No works

and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.<--No works

But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth<--No works

obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.<--No works

You will have to get up early, eat your Wheaties and then twist the bible into a pretzel to make it teach works salvation pal.....!

So now you have created a no works post? Oh my.... this is obscene. To all that read this forum please do not adhere to this heresy. This man can save his explanation for this false teaching for GOD. Why not go and add no works in reply to the Messiah's message to the churches? Let us see how that reads.... or not!!!
 

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So now you have created a no works post? Oh my.... this is obscene. To all that read this forum please do not adhere to this heresy. This man can save his explanation for this false teaching for GOD. Why not go and add no works in reply to the Messiah's message to the churches? Let us see how that reads.... or not!!!
He is not saying no works follow being saved, simply that it is not works them self that save.
 

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Ok....let us try this one more time....do you understand English? .....Do you understand the RESULT of one's action?

Faith into the work of Christ IS WHAT SAVES A MAN....end of story.......

THE RESULT of the FAITH and SALVATION one ALREADY POSSESSES <----any work produced and or fruit.

THE WORKS/FRUIT do NOT SAVE, KEEP SAVED or FINISH OFF SALVATION.........

FAITH plus WORKS to GAIN, FINISH, KEEP salvation = a false GOSPEL other than the GOSPEL PAUL preached.....it is DOUBLE CURSED, FAKE, a FRAUD and has NO POWER

GALATIANS 1 and 3
Even if the Messiah sends a message that is contrary to your belief will you continue to teach heresy.
 

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Even if the Messiah sends a message that is contrary to your belief will you continue to teach heresy.
God did send a message, have you seen John 3:16? It points to the work of Christ on the cross, and our faith in Him and His sacrifice on our behalf due to His great love for us... that is what saves. Most of Scripture points to Christ. It testifies of Him, His victory over sin and death, and man's absolute destitution, spiritual poverty, and inability to save himself.

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Read his last post....
If you want to say works save many will oppose you, for we are saved by grace through faith.

Works follow faith, but of themselves without faith, lack the power to save.
 

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God did send a message, have you seen John 3:16? It points to the work of Christ on the cross, and our faith in Him and His sacrifice on our behalf due to His great loved for us... that is what saves. Most of Scripture points to Christ. It testifies of Him, His victory, and man's absolute destitution, spiritual poverty, and inability to save himself.

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John 3 is wonderful and True and it is line with all Scripture.
 

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If you want to say works save many will oppose you, for we are saved by grace through faith.

Works follow faith, but of themselves without faith, lack the power to save.

I'm sharing Scripture.... when have I said we are not saved by grace?
 

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John 3 is wonderful and True and it is line with all Scripture.
Amen. We are saved by grace through faith in God's love for us through the propitiatory sacrifice of His Son on the cross, for He is the spotless Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world.
 

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I'm sharing Scripture.... when have I said we are not saved by grace?
You opposed a whole long list of Scripture that attested to being saved apart from works. You called it heresy.
 

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You opposed a whole long list of Scripture that attested to being saved apart from works. You called it heresy.
You mean the verses thrown into a post ending with no works added? This is me denying being saved by grace is it?