Obedience, Oh No!

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Stunnedbygrace said:
Okay ralph, when you get like this I just have to leave.

And by the way, the parable of the samaritan doesn't involve a donkey in a ditch to the best of my recollection.
And if you are going to go back to the law to argue against the parable, you've gone the wrong way.
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I couldn't remember where in the law the Parable of the Samaritan is based on. I'll have to look it up. So I used the passage I could remember in the law about being kind and helpful to your enemies. I would certainly help B----n if I saw he needed help, even though he has not treated me very kindly in our discussions about Hypergrace theology. But that hardly means I have to regard him as a brother. If he's been nice to you, fine. And if you want to consider him a fellow believer you certainly have that right, just as I have the right not to.
 
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Ralph- said:
I couldn't remember where in the law the Parable of the Samaritan is based on. I'll have to look it up. So I used the passage I could remember in the law about being kind and helpful to your enemies. I would certainly help B----n if I saw he needed help, even though he has not treated me very kindly in our discussions about Hypergrace theology. But that hardly means I have to regard him as a brother. If he's been nice to you, fine. And if you want to consider him a fellow believer you certainly have that right, just as I have the right not to.
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It's in the NT. Jesus, when asked by a man, and who is my brother, tells about a Samaritan man who was badly beaten and lay dying.
I've never heard of going to the law to understand one of Jesus' parables...

And what does him being nice to me or not nice to me have to do with it?
 
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But that hardly means I have to regard him as a brother. If he's been nice to you, fine. And if you want to consider him a fellow believer you certainly have that right, just as I have the right not to.
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Yes, you did judge him to be not a brother and worthy of hell with th e verse, saying he was immoral, idolatrous, covetous, a swindler and reviler.
The parable of the Samaritan was a bit shocking for them to hear because they believed Samaritans were quite awful.
 
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You showed him no mercy with that post.
And in your next post, you said no one can know who is saved.
Yet we know that the immoral, revilers, swindlers, idolatrous, covetous are going to hell.
And you used that verse to describe him.

You need to look into this all.
 
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Stunnedbygrace said:
Okay ralph, when you get like this I just have to leave.

And by the way, the parable of the samaritan doesn't involve a donkey in a ditch to the best of my recollection.
And if you are going to go back to the law to argue against the parable, you've gone the wrong way.
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Wait, stick around for a lesson from the law about Martha and Mary (Luke 10:38-42).
 
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Stunnedbygrace said:
You showed him no mercy with that post.
And in your next post, you said no one can know who is saved.
Yet we know that the immoral, revilers, swindlers, idolatrous, covetous are going to hell.
And you used that verse to describe him.

You need to look into this all.
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I noticed It too.
 
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And now I feel like I upset ralph too much. And I feel bad. But we really have to start calling each other on our crap in here. And from even our own "side" we need to do it. But it's kind of difficult when it's become the norm to talk to each other in a bad way.

You know, there was a guy coming in here a few nights ago preaching nihilism! THAT'S who we need to fight strenuously with - not each other.

And we have GOT to stop demanding some perfection of knowledge and doctrine from others that even WE DON'T HAVE! None of us is perfect. None of us has perfect knowledge. We have become way to quick to judge each other all kinds of bad things just because we're at different stages of understanding/growth.

We HAVE to find a way to disagree without the anger and arrogance. We HAVE to. He's coming soon. We have to start calling each other on our crap attitudes towards each other. We have to help each other to a better walk.

And when we get new members, we teach them to deal with everyone with arrogance because they see us acting that way. And so we don't help them at all by showing them a good example of maturity in discussions.

I'll shut up now. Ralph, I'm sorry. I love you brother. Do you know I love you? I don't have to agree with you or anyone else on everything. I love you. There has just got to be a way for us to disagree peaceably and stop making every single thing a salvation issue or a reason to beat each other up or call each other unsaved. If we really feel someone is unsaved, our nastiness certainly doesn't show them our Lord.

I'm not talking about those who occasionally come in to start a melee and who we ALL disagree with. I'm talking about how we are with each other who we see every day in here. :(
 
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Stunnedbygrace said:
And now I feel like I upset ralph too much. And I feel bad. But we really have to start calling each other on our crap in here. And from even our own "side" we need to do it. But it's kind of difficult when it's become the norm to talk to each other in a bad way.

You know, there was a guy coming in here a few nights ago preaching nihilism! THAT'S who we need to fight strenuously with - not each other.

And we have GOT to stop demanding some perfection of knowledge and doctrine from others that even WE DON'T HAVE! None of us is perfect. None of us has perfect knowledge. We have become way to quick to judge each other all kinds of bad things just because we're at different stages of understanding/growth.

We HAVE to find a way to disagree without the anger and arrogance. We HAVE to. He's coming soon. We have to start calling each other on our crap attitudes towards each other. We have to help each other to a better walk.

And when we get new members, we teach them to deal with everyone with arrogance because they see us acting that way. And so we don't help them at all by showing them a good example of maturity in discussions.

I'll shut up now. Ralph, I'm sorry. I love you brother. Do you know I love you? I don't have to agree with you or anyone else on everything. I love you. There has just got to be a way for us to disagree peaceably and stop making every single thing a salvation issue or a reason to beat each other up or call each other unsaved. If we really feel someone is unsaved, our nastiness certainly doesn't show them our Lord.

I'm not talking about those who occasionally come in to start a melee and who we ALL disagree with. I'm talking about how we are with each other who we see every day in here. :(
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Yep. Jesus say love your enemy, and if one slap your right cheek, give your left cheek. That mean, we have to respons politely each other thought we may not fully agree each other. This is love and a Christian way of communication
 
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Jackson123 said:
Yep. Jesus say love your enemy, and if one slap your right cheek, give your left cheek. That mean, we have to respons politely each other thought we may not fully agree each other. This is love and a Christian way of communication
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Not that our brothers really ARE our enemy...we just decide they are because their view of some scripture angers us...
 
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Deade said:
If the law is instructional how can it be irrelevant. If the law ever was a tudor/teacher then is still is. As Pauls says:

Rom. 7:7 "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet."

Granted we will never be able to keep the law, that is why we have grace. If the law defines sin, is still gives us a direction. If anyone on this forum could keep the two great commandments perfectly, then they would not have to do the law.

Paul goes on in Romans:

Rom. 7:12 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good."

We worship God in spirit and truth (John 4:24). Keeping the commandments is the least of our service, which we will not do perfectly. Thank God that Jesus made that unnecessary.

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Thank God that Jesus made that (keeping dead laws) unnecessary.

amen, saved by grace, not by works
 
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theanointedsinner said:
Thank God that Jesus made that (keeping dead laws) unnecessary.

amen, saved by grace, not by works
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He did not set them aside, as the wod says not one jot or tittle will pass awway until all is fulfilled, they still work even today showing people how sinful they are so they can be led to christ and find salvation.

Sadly some want to take the schoolmaster and be bound to him even after they are saved.
 
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Seemes like If JESUS we're to come walking around the corner some people would run up and hug HIS shadow Istead of hugging JESUS.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Seemes like If JESUS we're to come walking around the corner some people would run up and hug HIS shadow Istead of hugging JESUS.
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Walking in a shadow would be in light or in darkness...?

Lol

By which I certainly don't mean, 'be disobedient' even tho I'll likely be so slanderously accused.

As important as it is to be wary of evil, I think it's wiser to be looking for Christ than to be looking for Satan.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
He did not set them aside, as the wod says not one jot or tittle will pass awway until all is fulfilled, they still work even today showing people how sinful they are so they can be led to christ and find salvation.

Sadly some want to take the schoolmaster and be bound to him even after they are saved.
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At certain point the only way to 'stay in school' is to flunk your classes to be sure you don't graduate.
 
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posthuman said:
Walking in a shadow would be in light or in darkness...?

Lol

By which I certainly don't mean, 'be disobedient' even tho I'll likely be so slanderously accused.

As important as it is to be wary of evil, I think it's wiser to be looking for Christ than to be looking for Satan.
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It would be light for those under law but HE has already came to earth and paid for our sins so thin It would now be darkness FOR those who are trying to be righteous by their own strength.

sidenote:The WORD of GOD Is light but the flesh Is carnal sold under sin.
 
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By which I certainly don't mean, 'be disobedient' even tho I'll likely be so slanderously accused.
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As long as you don't mean we can deny Christ and willfully and purposely go back to our lives of sin and we'll still be saved, you're good. Let us stick to what Paul actually taught, not what some people misunderstand him to have said, and all will be good.



posthuman said:
As important as it is to be wary of evil, I think it's wiser to be looking for Christ than to be looking for Satan.
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Start looking here:

"you shall love your neighbor as yourself "-Leviticus 19:18

And there are other scriptures that help us know what obedience to that command looks like in actual practice, for example:

" 8If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF,” you are doing well. 9But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law* as transgressors."-James 2:8

*"you shall not be partial to the poor nor defer to the great, but you are to judge your neighbor fairly."-Leviticus 19:15


See, it's impossible to 'love your neighbor as yourself' and not be keeping the law. This is probably the biggest misunderstanding about the law by the church. Faith upholds, not violates, the law of Moses.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
It would be light for those under law but HE has already came to earth and paid for our sins so thin It would now be darkness FOR those who are trying to be righteous by their own strength.

sidenote:The WORD of GOD Is light but the flesh Is carnal sold under sin.
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Even His shadow is light to us, there will be no sun or lamp in the city, because we will not need it
 
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JaumeJ said:
Perhaps a good study of the Letter to the Ephesians may help some..
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Gal.3
23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Gal.5

Freedom in Christ
5 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

I have no idea why anyone would still want to imply that it is necessary
to even know what the old was including the 600 plus...the law brought
us here until grace came. now all those laws are of no value to us period.
 
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