Obedience, Oh No!

[seed_time_harvest]

As long as you don't mean we can deny Christ and willfully and purposely go back to our lives of sin and we'll still be saved, you're good. Let us stick to what Paul actually taught, not what some people misunderstand him to have said, and all will be good.




Start looking here:

"you shall love your neighbor as yourself "-Leviticus 19:18

And there are other scriptures that help us know what obedience to that command looks like in actual practice, for example:

" 8If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF,” you are doing well. 9But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law* as transgressors."-James 2:8

*"you shall not be partial


See, it's impossible to 'love your neighbor as yourself' and not be keeping the law. This is probably the biggest misunderstanding about the law by the church. Faith upholds, not violates, the law of Moses.

Even His shadow is light to us, there will be no sun or lamp in the city, because we will not need it

Yes I agree but I would prefer to hug JESUS seeing that HE Is now here Rather than hug all the symbols that say HE Is coming.

 

[mailmandan]

is it possible to "frustrate" the grace of God?

Yes and works-salvationists do it all the time.

Is it possible to "obey" the gospel?

Yes, we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16; 10:16).

 

[seed_time_harvest]

As long as you don't mean we can deny Christ and willfully and purposely go back to our lives of sin and we'll still be saved, you're good. Let us stick to what Paul actually taught, not what some people misunderstand him to have said, and all will be good.

What did Paul say?

 

[theanointedsinner]

say that "work salvationism" is true, by that logic, Moses, empowered by God, to perform miracles beyond wonderment, exceeds ultimate expectations, Moses would know ultimate salvation, based on that standard, and guess what, Moses can't do jack anything without God, therefor God works through Moses, so even if work-salvationism is true, it's best to allow God to work through you, sustain salvation for you, so that God can be more glorified

for when I am weak, then I'm strong

and Exodus 14:14 - Let God fight your battles, you only need to be still

 

[Ralph-]

What did Paul say?

Paul said the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works is the faith that obeys God.

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything (towards justification), but faith working through love. "-Galatians 5:6

Paul never said you can just have faith and you are saved, no matter what. From the above verse we see that if faith is not leading you into obedience to God, you aren't still saved, you were either never saved to begin with or you stopped believing somewhere along the line. Like Abraham, the footprints of justifying faith are the footprints of obedience. No footprints means no faith. No faith means no justification in Christ. There is no such thing as faith all by itself in salvation. If your faith is 'alone' it may mean you do not have the justification by faith apart from works you think you have.