Obedience & righteousness - extreme grace version

[eternally-gratefull]

We are saying the same thing..wrorks never saved anyone....it is and always will be by faith alone....David and all others in the OT were saved by Jesus sacrifice only....the law was a shadow of what was to come..Jesus

ok, just be careful. I can see why they misunderstood and thought you taught such a thing..

It was obviously you they were talking about who believed in dual gospel theology.

 

[Grace777x70]

Those sacrifices never got sins forgiven - they only covered them. The Bible says the blood of bulls and goats can never get sins forgiven.

David was saved the same way all Old Testament saints were saved; by placing their faith in the promised coming Messiah - and that faith was credited to them as righteousness.

Good point Budman..and you are right...thank you for correcting that..there is a big difference between being covered and being taken away as in what our Lord's blood did for us......

It has always been by faith..

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I just gave a few, And I have given many.

You had me on ignore.. You did not even know I confessed my sin to a few people yesterday.

You think it is all about you. That's your problem.

You refuse to listen to people. and see what they believe completely. And try to put people under groupings. Someone trys to explain to you what they believe, Your response is always, That's gnostic, hypergrace, Augustion or calvin.

That is not discussing the word. That is putting people under groupings which are not even true.

People (not just myself) asked you kindly to stop it. It was not doing anything but causing division. But no. You could not do that, you had to keep doing it, and keep the division going.

So until you repent, and stop doing this, and actually start listening to what people say (getting a few things right about someone is not enough. Anyone can do that) and prove you KNOW WHAT THEY BELIEVE, even if you disagree.

Things will stay the same...

See. More deflection, more accusations.

Yes, I do have you on ignore because of your poisonous spirit. But now I will monitor for you to provide a single example of me slandering anyone.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Now (Though I know he won't be reading this because he has me on ignore) you, HeRose, on the other hand, have been one of the most biblically illiterate, snide, immature, false-converts I've ever had the displeasure of discoursing with. You hardly ever answer questions directly, instead make sweeping statements that everything we bring up is gnosticism. When caught in a contradiction, you go back and change your post if given enough time.

The most telling of all your immature traits, is when someone is clearly thumping you theologically in a debate, you put them on ignore, trumping up charges that they were "rude" or "mean" to you. You do this to cut down your opponents to those you think you can beat in debate. It's cowardly.

You slam people for doing things that you yourself do, then deny you act in such a way. When backed into a corner, instead of admitting you may be wrong, you start your character assassination game - the one you are pulling with Angela right now.

You teach that obedience is necessary or a Christian will lose their salvation - which makes you a partner with Christ, sharing in His glory. (You deny this, but it's absolutely true). The reason you do this is obvious: you want praise that is only due Christ to feed your enormous ego. You want to be admired as some great theological teacher/elder, standing on high, calling down the lightning and fire on those you deem unworthy.

In my opinion, you think of yourself as some mighty warrior for Christ, when actually, you are only here to get the ego boosts you crave.

I've seen your kind plenty of times in my Christian life, and they all end the same. The burden of trying to be "good" under the guise of "obeying Christ's commandments" to keep your salvation, shipwrecks their faith, and the faith of others in their circle, because they can't live they way preach.

They teach abstinence from sin to maintain salvation, yet they still sin, every single day, and that fact destroys them. It's the cauldron where many atheists are made.

You have my pity, and my prayers.

OK, you've accused, now provide evidence/proof of your accusations (one at a time, please), otherwise you are simply stating your opinion.

And yes, I do have you on ignore, because IMO you are a game player.

 

[Grace777x70]

ok, just be careful. I can see why they misunderstood and thought you taught such a thing..

It was obviously you they were talking about who believed in dual gospel theology.

I don't know where they would get that from as I think this is the first time I mentioned how sins were covered in the Old Covenant..??..

I think what JJ was talking about had nothing to do with the covering of sins...I didn't know what he was referring to..it came out of the blue without a context.

Here is what he said.....

Quote Post #1051

To say the Gospel of Jesus Christ has one message for the Hebrews and an altogether distinct message for the Gentiles who have been brought to be with the original Flock shows an enormous void of understanding or apostasy, for we all know the same gospel that was given to Abraham, long before the law was given, is the same by which we are all saved.

To say there is a different truth for one people from our Father, and another truth for another group of peoples is sadly in erro.

unquote

 

[JaumeJ]

Just getting up from my nap and I see you are here gain, perverting what others say........ Answering my challenge with nonsense, as though you are originating a question. I think I will take another nap.

Could you please show anyone who is teaching otherwise?

And no one has claimed anyone is law only.

 

[JaumeJ]

EJ why do your respond to my posts as though they are not responses to the posts I respond. You do this purposely in order to entice people who join the conversation without consulting all of the previous posts.

You know you are doing this, and this is also being untruthful, that is to say, it is lying. Were you simply overlooking the posts being replied to you would have an excuse, but you do not even make an effort to see the soure of the subject. tsk, tsk, tsk.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I have to go out for a few hours. I'll be eagerly expecting evidence/proof/examples of my slandering anyone to be here when I get back (but one at a time per person please; I don't want to be overwhelmed). It is, after all, godly and Christian to correct a brother with his specific offense for his and the body's edification; blanket accusations don't accomplish anything. And you are godly Christians, right? Great! I know I can count on you. I'll be expecting your edifying responses.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

See. More deflection, more accusations.

Yes, I do have you on ignore because of your poisonous spirit. But now I will monitor for you to provide a single example of me slandering anyone.

Well this was easy:

Angela, you have a very irritating, condescending and abusive spirit. I put you on ignore after your rude response to me earlier, but I must answer your charges against Peter because I don't like your abusive attitude. I frankly think that you are a poser, who pretends to have more spiritual authority than is rightfully yours. You try to act like Ms Authority, but in this particular arena, you seem to be abysmally ignorant. This controversy has been going on for months. I've watched it nearly every day since the beginning. Peter's observations are entirely correct. IMO, Peter's use of the indirect third person (they) was to conceptually discuss the topic without mentioning those who have verbalized these things. So your charge that Peter was slandering everyone on this forum is just stupid. You're trying to act like Ms. Large-and-in-Charge, and you have no clue what's going on. And if you do, then you are entirely guilty of partiality, because Grace777x70 habitually indulges in passive-aggressive "slander" using the indirect third party method. You had me fooled. I thought that you were worthy of respect.

 

[JaumeJ]

Who is disputing what you have said here? Why the abject contention? Try to understand when people post before responding.

What God has called clean let no man call unclean.

I pray in Jesus Christ's name that all who have claimed the Blood of Christ always keep this foremost in mind when posting........amen

What God called clean is perfect. No blemish.

Even the smallest of all sins a man can commit would make a man unclean. (a blemish is a blemish, There are no good blemishes, a lamb with the slightest of blemished would not be considered for sacrifice on the day of atonment)

How are you doing in that department JJ?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Answering on your straw-man segment.

When a grace only individual protests to the declaration that we should obey God for our new nature has converted us from children of disobedience to children of obedience, it cannot be said that this is not equivalent to teaching disobedience in favor of licentious grace.

I love being in my Father's will as do so many. There are also many areas of my walk with Jesus C¨hrist where I prove to be weak, but I know His grace is fresh every morning as is written in the Old testament (the Torah.) Therefore, wretched sinner that I am, I rely on His grace while I obey in my mind, heart and soul, knowing the work He has begun in me, HE will complete on His great and glorious Day. Until then, it is an honor to do all within the ability given me to do as the Father tells us.........note, the ability is a gift from above, not something I may conjure up.

Therefore I consider anyone who balks at the declaration to obey God as one who believes in a licentious form of grace and not grace with thanksgiving. There is no other manner to understand these ravings.

If you are not a "grace only" believer, what kind of believer are you? What is it you have added to grace to make up for what you consider the insufficiency of grace only?

 

[Budman]

OK, you've accused, now provide evidence/proof of your accusations (one at a time, please), otherwise you are simply stating your opinion.

And yes, I do have you on ignore, because IMO you are a game player.

There's one.

You have no fruit but bitterness

You follow them around 24/7 to know they have no fruit?

There's a real bitter root in your life

You know all about their life?

You never repent and always come back with accusations

You know for certain this person never repents?

you have no right to judge anyone

Yet, you judge people constantly.

Here's a perfect example of the poisonous spirit that EG introduces to virtually every thread

You've visited every single thread EG participated in to know this?

are you here to learn, or just entertain yourself with lite treachery?

You know for certain this person commits treachery for entertainment?

Grace777x70 and BenWTF are two individuals here who teach the holy spirit doesn't convict believers of sin.

Just where did they ever do that?

Those are just from the first page and a half of your posts pages. I'm fairly certain there are plenty more and even worse ones. I'm also sure you can find some examples from my own posts - and the posts of others. The point being, don't slam others for the same things you are doing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

See. More deflection, more accusations.

Yes, I do have you on ignore because of your poisonous spirit. But now I will monitor for you to provide a single example of me slandering anyone.

Your blind, I have been posting examples for months now.

But hey, if you want to think your "sly" now. Then go for it.

I just posted two and your ignoring them. Just like you do everyone.

But hey, here is one for you. Very recent

Post 1031 -

This is your M/O. You never repent and always come back with accusations.

Post 905 -

forgive me then, i answered you in haste and sinned against you, i am sorry

Post 914 -

your fine sis. forgive me also

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just getting up from my nap and I see you are here gain, perverting what others say........ Answering my challenge with nonsense, as though you are originating a question. I think I will take another nap.

So you made an accusation. And you were asked to prove it, And your response is not to prove your accusation was correct. But to deflect and make more accusations.

I see you have not changed one bit

 

[Budman]

I'll be eagerly expecting evidence/proof/examples of my slandering anyone to be here when I get back (but one at a time per person please; I don't want to be overwhelmed)

Sorry, but once I got started, it was easy to get on a roll. There's so many....

 

[FreeNChrist]

This formula seems to be a set of New Laws, not from God, some saying yes, some saying no, but all saying do as I say.......

I prefer to read all of the Word of God, and learn from Him. I do not need a man or a group of men to tell me what is yes and what is no........I have Jesus Christ, God, Who teaches me, and all who believe Him.....

"So Christ Himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip His people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up." Eph. 4:11-12

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EJ why do your respond to my posts as though they are not responses to the posts I respond. You do this purposely in order to entice people who join the conversation without consulting all of the previous posts.

You know you are doing this, and this is also being untruthful, that is to say, it is lying. Were you simply overlooking the posts being replied to you would have an excuse, but you do not even make an effort to see the soure of the subject. tsk, tsk, tsk.

I assume you mean EG

I am just making sure you back up the accusations you make. You have a habit of making accusations, Saying people yell ar you because you teach obedience, Saying they love to live in sin, Or in the case today, That we should nto follow Jesus as our example.

You like to say people say things they have never said or claimed, But you do not like to be confronted about them do you?

WHy is that?


If your going to make an accusation, at lease have the ability to post the person you are accusing of saying they thing you claim they are saying..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well this was easy:

well there is two in like less than ten minutes which he has been proven to slander others with lies..

It is sad when you do not have to go far to find stuff..

 

[Budman]

Your blind, I have been posting examples for months now.

But hey, if you want to think your "sly" now. Then go for it.

I just posted two and your ignoring them. Just like you do everyone.

But hey, here is one for you. Very recent

Post 1031 -



Post 905 -


Post 914 -

I think his error was asking for just "one" example.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who is disputing what you have said here? Why the abject contention? Try to understand when people post before responding.

See, this is what I mean,

SOmeone posts. Another persons respons to their post. And they get all upset.

I thought this was a bible discussion forum.

You made a statement, I asked you how well you lived that statement.. According to the biblical definition of clean (perfect)

And this is a bad thing?