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atwhatcost

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The man made doctrine of once saved always saved is a doctrine leading those who believe it away from the truth. It is a doctrine of the devil and you should run away as fast as you can and turn and believe in Jesus Christ and his finished work.

Here is what the scripture say: " He that HEARTH my word and BELIEVTH on him that sent me has EVERLASTING life.: John 5:24 (KJV). And John 6:40 and 47 say "every one who seeth the Son and believeth on him, may have everlasting life, "He that believeth on me HATH everlasting life".

Now I don't know what you believe in and you may well lose whatever it is you believe in but it is not Jesus Christ the Lord else you would NEVER say one of his can lose what he has given them. I cannot now or ever lose God's wonderful gift of life given to his elected blood bought children. He knows who are his and his own know him and follow him. Were like sheep following the good shepherd, when he calls us.

If you don't hear him and believe in him you are not his, and you believe not. John 10:24 thru 26 says plainly "But you believe not because you are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me, and I give to them eternal life, and they shall never perish" Repent from your ways, turn to Christ and believe him.

All else leads to damnation, destruction and death.
But believing on the Lord our God brings life, peace AND everlasting life thru him alone who is able to do as he pleases, now and forever.

Do you hear his word and believe on him? May God bless you as ONLY he can do.
Why should I read this? If you haven't taken the time to find out what OSASers believe, why should I take the time to read your refuting it? If you don't know what it is, how can you refute anyway? It doesn't make sense.
 

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Either Jesus died for your sins or He didn't. He is not going to give you the gift of salvation only to pull the rug out from under you the first time that you slip up.
 

blue_ladybug

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It is my solid belief that we all ARE indeed, once saved, always saved. It's foolish to think we lose our salvation time and again when we sin, and have to get resaved to get it back. Saved means saved. Period. :)
 

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It is my solid belief that we all ARE indeed, once saved, always saved. It's foolish to think we lose our salvation time and again when we sin, and have to get resaved to get it back. Saved means saved. Period. :)
Now, that is worthy of an "Amen". It is sad that there are those that choose to live their lives in fear with a dark negative cloud always hovering overhead.
 
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atwhatcost

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It is my solid belief that we all ARE indeed, once saved, always saved. It's foolish to think we lose our salvation time and again when we sin, and have to get resaved to get it back. Saved means saved. Period. :)
The real question few bother dealing with is, "Yes, but are you truly saved?"

I've had friends who sure acted like they were saved only to wander away decade later. Because of that, I don't trust simple because someone assumes saved, the person IS saved.

Which brings it back to me -- how do I know I'm saved? I've got that one answered for me. And that wasn't an easy answer. It took a lot of God forcing me into places I never wanted to go. How many here can say the same thing for themselves?

I get the impression not many on this board, because this board is always about everyone else.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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The man made doctrine of once saved always saved is a doctrine leading those who believe it away from the truth.
Are you saying Jesus lied??

This statement sets the tone for an absolutely absurd post. Read my signature. WTMIL. God bless.

By the way, your name is misleading.
 

Angela53510

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I, too, am confused about this OP. The title and first lines indicate that the OP is against eternal security.

The rest seems to indicate he is in favour of it.

And why do we need yet another thread on this topic that has been so thoroughly trashed to death, anyway?
 
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Abing

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I used to bash OSAS on this same forum when I was a teen, 6 years ago. After going through some things in life, goodness gracious, I've never been so glad in my life to be wrong.
 

Ahwatukee

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The real question few bother dealing with is, "Yes, but are you truly saved?"

I've had friends who sure acted like they were saved only to wander away decade later. Because of that, I don't trust simple because someone assumes saved, the person IS saved.

Which brings it back to me -- how do I know I'm saved? I've got that one answered for me. And that wasn't an easy answer. It took a lot of God forcing me into places I never wanted to go. How many here can say the same thing for themselves?

I get the impression not many on this board, because this board is always about everyone else.
Hello atwhatcost,

Please consider the following:

"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

In the above scripture, that the person in question is referred to as "servant" that is, he is a believer and not just a believer, but an overseer, that is pastor or one put in charge over other believers. The example shows him going back to living according to the sinful nature and that because he says my master (the Lord) is staying away a long time. So, the scripture demonstrates that he is a believer and an overseer of other believers and that if the Lord comes back and finds him living according to the sinful nature, then he will separate that person from the righteous and give him his portion with the hypocrites and unbelievers.

Once saved always saved is a false teaching, for faith is required for salvation. Think of salvation by grace through faith as a wall socket, where the wall socket represents God's grace and the plug represents the individuals faith. We plug into God's grace by having faith, but when you pull the plug out of the wall socket, then you have unplugged from God's grace. Faith is required to maintain salvation throughout our entire walk with Christ. Here is another example of a believer being able to lose their salvation:

"My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins."

First of all, notice in the scripture above that those being addressed are "brothers and sisters". This would first show that they are believers. The scripture demonstrates that a believer can wander away from the truth, which would be them going back and living according to the sinful nature. Notice also that while in that wandered state, that the person is accumulating sin and is on their way to death. If a person warns that person and brings them back from their wandered state, then all of those sins that they were accumulating are covered over and they are no longer headed towards death. Why? Because they are now once again exercising faith. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption if we continue in faith. But when we stop having faith, the connection to God's grace is broken and we need to return to him in order to get out of that state of separation.

Her is yet another example of believers being able to lose their salvation:

"I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."

In the scripture above, Jesus is speaking to his disciples, as well as to all believers throughout the church period. Branches are symbolic for believers in Christ. If a branch/believer does not remain faithful in Christ, then that believer cannot bring for fruit and any branch/believer who does not bring forth fruit will be thrown into the fire and burned. Again, remaining in Christ means continuing in faith. Outside of faith is separation from God and the accumulation of sin which leads to death.

Conclusion: Once saved, always saved is based on continuing in faith.
 

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Those whom Jesus has saved are indeed saved. Those whom He did not save are simply not saved.

Those who are saved know it and those who are not know it as well.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Angela53510

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Since we do not save ourselves, we are justified by faith, why on earth would God throw us out in the mud to sink or swim, for the rest of our lives?

Our salvation - justification, sanctification and glorification do not depend upon us, but upon God.

"Therefore, since we have been justified by faith by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access into the grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God." Romans 5:1-2

Someone who is truly saved will follow God with all their hearts, souls, minds and strength, because the Holy Spirit is leading and guiding them.

"I will never leave or forsake you." Hebrews 13:5, Deut 31:6,8

This doctrine that you can lose your salvation is straight from the pit of hell. It is meant to discourage believers and it disgraces the finished work of Christ on Calvary!
 

MarcR

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I, too, am confused about this OP. The title and first lines indicate that the OP is against eternal security.

The rest seems to indicate he is in favour of it.

And why do we need yet another thread on this topic that has been so thoroughly trashed to death, anyway?
I think that was intentional! It seems to be the sort of mental juxtaposition that O'Henry, and Zane Gray are famous for.
 

blue_ladybug

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It is my solid belief that we all ARE indeed, once saved, always saved. It's foolish to think we lose our salvation time and again when we sin, and have to get resaved to get it back. Saved means saved. Period. :)

Thank you to the person who repped me for this post. I appreciate it. :)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I used to bash OSAS on this same forum when I was a teen, 6 years ago. After going through some things in life, goodness gracious, I've never been so glad in my life to be wrong.

for those of us who have been trained by Gods love, and (like myself) hit rock bottom. I think we can finally in humility, see what it means to be secure in Christ, and appreciate it.
 
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It is actually sometimes forgetting something when we are about to leave and go to a
E.g
Work, party, family outing and many more
But becaused of our fast easy to go, easy to get attitudes
For everything that what we wants to achieve, we must achieve it as soon as possible
Just as riding the most exclusived car in the town but sometimes forgetting something
Like the car keys (though it was a very difficult thing to do)
but not for me literally
Because I don't even owned a car :haha:

Let's be quick and also be an observer to all
And let the lord god the father almighty who is good and who cannot lie
with his only begotten son our lord god the son Jesus Christ
Together with the help of the holy spirit
Guides us unto all our good faith and our good works
Through his grace so that we may attained salvation in
Our heart and our soul

My breathrens :smoke: and my fellows :happy:
And to all the brothers and sisters who always put their hope
To good things first Revelation: 3. 2. Be watchful and strengthen the things that remain, which are ready to die. For I find not thy works full before my God. 3. Have in mind therefore in what manner thou hast received and heard: and observe, and do penance. If then thou shalt not watch, I will come to thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know at what hour I will come to thee.
 
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Abing

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for those of us who have been trained by Gods love, and (like myself) hit rock bottom. I think we can finally in humility, see what it means to be secure in Christ, and appreciate it.
So true. :)
 

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Since we have died to sin and the law and are risen with Christ, it would be impossible to undo all that.
 
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It only works for those who continue to abide in the doctrinal teachings of the Lord, once one falls away from His ways to go back to their own lusts and desires they are no longer under that grace of God through faith in the Lord.

OSAS claims all believers are saved from minute one and nothing can change that, but the bible clearly teaches other wises as Acts 20:28-31 shows disciples(believers) getting drawn away, and here is a list that shows what believers can still do:

1. Fall from grace - Gal. 5:1-4,13
2. Be led away with error - 2 Pet. 3:17
3. Err from the truth - James 5:19-20
4. Weak brother may perish - 1 Cor. 8:11
5. Fall into condemnation - James 5:12
6. Be moved away from the hope - Col. 1:21-23
7. Deny the Lord who bought them - 2 Pet. 2:1
8. Depart from the living God - Heb. 3:12
9. Can be a castaway - 1 Cor. 9:27
10. Can become accursed children - 2 Pet. 2:14


Plus ask around about Luke 6:46-49 and John 3:21, and also why words like should, may, and might get overlooked in scriptures from that doctrine ??? Also the true doctrine of OSAS says falling away is impossible, but Apostle Paul speaks on this topic more then anybody else in the NT showing it does and will happen !!!
When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.

Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

John chapter 5
 

mailmandan

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The man made doctrine of once saved always saved is a doctrine leading those who believe it away from the truth. It is a doctrine of the devil and you should run away as fast as you can and turn and believe in Jesus Christ and his finished work.
Prior to my conversion while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I believed in NOSAS and it kept me in fear and bondage to insecurity and led me away from turning to believe in Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of my salvation. Instead, I was trusting in works for salvation and had NO assurance of salvation. Since I turned to believe exclusively in Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption (Acts 26:18; Romans 3:24), I now believe in eternal security of the believer (preservation of the saints - Psalm 37:28) and have assurance of salvation (1 John 5:13).
 
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Those whom Jesus has saved are indeed saved. Those whom He did not save are simply not saved.

Those who are saved know it and those who are not know it as well.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Jesus died to save everyone. but not everyone is saved,Why They don't enter into this salvation for all by faith. Its called unbelief....Casting all your care on him because he cares for you.....If your eye is single your whole body shall be full of life/ How can a third of the world live in hunger and sickness, dieing by thousands per day while many of us waste our lives on the pleasures of sin for a season and say we have the love of God in us?