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This whole discussion is a misunderstanding. What does the word salvation mean according to scripture?
The term salvation is a scriptural word and so it just follows that it must be defined by the bible and not a dictionary.
It means being saved from God's wrath as it is directed against sin.
The opposite of salvation is judgment or experiencing God's wrath as it is directed against sin.
If 1 Cor 11:32 is seen to present the reason for God's judgment of His people, then being judged facilitates salvation. In other words God's judment against the sin of His people is for the purpose of helping His people improve.
Being saved (from the wrath of God as it is directed against sin) is not the same as eternal life. Eternal life is obtained because of belief in Christ. As long as a person believes in Christ (even if they are being disciplined or not being saved from the wrath of God) the will still inherit Eternal life.
Respectfully - Brian
The term salvation is a scriptural word and so it just follows that it must be defined by the bible and not a dictionary.
It means being saved from God's wrath as it is directed against sin.
The opposite of salvation is judgment or experiencing God's wrath as it is directed against sin.
If 1 Cor 11:32 is seen to present the reason for God's judgment of His people, then being judged facilitates salvation. In other words God's judment against the sin of His people is for the purpose of helping His people improve.
Being saved (from the wrath of God as it is directed against sin) is not the same as eternal life. Eternal life is obtained because of belief in Christ. As long as a person believes in Christ (even if they are being disciplined or not being saved from the wrath of God) the will still inherit Eternal life.
Respectfully - Brian
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I see what you are saying. I do believe there is a big misunderstanding about salvation. We often times forget that salvation is a 3 part salvation (triune); justification, sanctification, and glorification.
Justification is the act of God declaring us just. God has saved us from the PENALTY of sin, which is hell. This is past tense and settled, DONE! This is the point where we obtain eternal life.
Sanctification is the act of God presently saving us from the POWER of sin. Transforming us into the image of Christ.
Glorification is the act of God, sometime in the future, whereby He will save us from the very presence of sin.
Notice the grammar of Romans 8:29-30. He is the one performing the actions, and those actions are, past tense, done. Those He foreknew (had an relationship with like a husband and wife) He predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son (sanctification). Those He predestined He called, and those He called, He justified, and those He justified He glorified. Each one is past tense, even glorification. Even though glorification is future to us, it has already been settled with God! How much more secure can our salvation be than that! God has already done it. Knowing that, it makes me want to serve Him more and show Him more gratitude for what He has already done. I can serve a God who cares so much about the salvation of my soul that He takes care of it. Do we really think that God is going to leave the salvation of souls up to us? He has taken care of it and it is done!
Justification is the act of God declaring us just. God has saved us from the PENALTY of sin, which is hell. This is past tense and settled, DONE! This is the point where we obtain eternal life.
Sanctification is the act of God presently saving us from the POWER of sin. Transforming us into the image of Christ.
Glorification is the act of God, sometime in the future, whereby He will save us from the very presence of sin.
Notice the grammar of Romans 8:29-30. He is the one performing the actions, and those actions are, past tense, done. Those He foreknew (had an relationship with like a husband and wife) He predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son (sanctification). Those He predestined He called, and those He called, He justified, and those He justified He glorified. Each one is past tense, even glorification. Even though glorification is future to us, it has already been settled with God! How much more secure can our salvation be than that! God has already done it. Knowing that, it makes me want to serve Him more and show Him more gratitude for what He has already done. I can serve a God who cares so much about the salvation of my soul that He takes care of it. Do we really think that God is going to leave the salvation of souls up to us? He has taken care of it and it is done!
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He's given us His grace, but the faith to believe in Him leading our lives WE still MUST DO . This is a narrow way to Him, but we MUST go through it, for through Him is the only way Home . Our soul's eternity depends on staying IN His care 
Yes, Jesus settled it on the cross, His blood saves us but we STILL must want to be saved . YOU are saved, but, can you still DECIDE to leave Him? Why not ? He gives us free choice, He left the decision up to us, a human response it t'was, for becoming His, for choosing Him as our personal Lord and Saviour; He draws us in and we respond either 'yea' or 'nay.'
It is ALL about Him, but it is up to us, still, all our lives following His leading, which, we want to do, right? We, who have His Spirit in us, WANT to stay in the shelter of His wings , for of which decision of the Spirti received we are SEALED with redemption
Yes, Jesus settled it on the cross, His blood saves us but we STILL must want to be saved . YOU are saved, but, can you still DECIDE to leave Him? Why not ? He gives us free choice, He left the decision up to us, a human response it t'was, for becoming His, for choosing Him as our personal Lord and Saviour; He draws us in and we respond either 'yea' or 'nay.'
It is ALL about Him, but it is up to us, still, all our lives following His leading, which, we want to do, right? We, who have His Spirit in us, WANT to stay in the shelter of His wings , for of which decision of the Spirti received we are SEALED with redemption
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John 10:27-30 says it all. And those words are from Jesus.
And Romans 10:9 specifies to believe in your heart. It's one thing to confess, you have to truly believe it, and when you truly believe it, you give your heart to Jesus, He transforms you, He becomes a priority...
So if this is not true, that means that Jesus is a liar, and God too.
Plus when you are truly saved, you don't back off. There's knowledge of the head, and knowledge of the heart.
A lot of people believe on paper only, but you can't see it in their actions and attitudes, they don't live out their faith, they pick and choose what to obey in the Bible, etc...
It's one thing to quote the Bible and know it all, it's another thing to actually do as It says...
And Romans 10:9 specifies to believe in your heart. It's one thing to confess, you have to truly believe it, and when you truly believe it, you give your heart to Jesus, He transforms you, He becomes a priority...
So if this is not true, that means that Jesus is a liar, and God too.
Plus when you are truly saved, you don't back off. There's knowledge of the head, and knowledge of the heart.
A lot of people believe on paper only, but you can't see it in their actions and attitudes, they don't live out their faith, they pick and choose what to obey in the Bible, etc...
It's one thing to quote the Bible and know it all, it's another thing to actually do as It says...
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And in order to understand it better, you need to ask the Holy Spirit to reveal its message for you !
He is the One who can clarify any misunderstanding you have on the Word, and not people !!
Behold, haha I'm not saying you can't go to people, but we are all the same...and all different. And obviously, a lot read the same Bible and completely disagree over the words printed in this Holy Book.
He is the One who can clarify any misunderstanding you have on the Word, and not people !!
Behold, haha I'm not saying you can't go to people, but we are all the same...and all different. And obviously, a lot read the same Bible and completely disagree over the words printed in this Holy Book.
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It does not matter, it is still the ONLY way yuo can earn you way to heaven. A Gentile who wanted to come to God had to fall under the law. So it was given to anyone who wanted to be a part of God.
fact is, It was given to PROVE we can not earn our way to heave, for we all fail, That is why it is called a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ, And paul wrote this to the gentile church.
You have two choices. Law. or grace. there is no other choice.
And grace is free, undeserved, unmerited. So anyone tryign to work for salvation is not under grace, but under law. The law condemns you, period.
fact is, It was given to PROVE we can not earn our way to heave, for we all fail, That is why it is called a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ, And paul wrote this to the gentile church.
You have two choices. Law. or grace. there is no other choice.
And grace is free, undeserved, unmerited. So anyone tryign to work for salvation is not under grace, but under law. The law condemns you, period.
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wow, I just noticed the thread was brought back from the grave.. WHat is up with all the Eternal security threads does it scare you people that much?? it must, its all you want to talk about.
Well to be honest. If I did not believe in God keeping his promise, and completing his work in me, I guess I would be scared of eternal security too.
Well to be honest. If I did not believe in God keeping his promise, and completing his work in me, I guess I would be scared of eternal security too.
Well it's a doctrine ... that is one man's belief Calvin I think [h=1]The Canons of Dort[/h] SECOND HEAD: ARTICLE 8. For this was the sovereign counsel and most gracious will and purpose of God the Father that the quickening and saving efficacy of the most precious death of His Son should extend to all the elect, for bestowing upon them alone the gift of justifying faith, thereby to bring them infallibly to salvation; that is, it was the will of God that Christ by the blood of the cross, whereby He confirmed the new covenant, should effectually redeem out of every people, tribe, nation, and language, all those, and those only, who were from eternity chosen to salvation and given to Him by the Father; that He should confer upon them faith, which, together with all the other saving gifts of the Holy Spirit, He purchased for them by His death; should purge them from all sin, both original and actual, whether committed before or after believing; and having faithfully preserved them even to the end, should at last bring them, free from every spot and blemish, to the enjoyment of glory in His own presence forever.
FIRST HEAD: ARTICLE 6. That some receive the gift of faith from God, and others do not receive it, proceeds from God's eternal decree. "For known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world" (Acts 15:18 A.V.). "who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will" (Eph 1:11). According to which decree He graciously softens the hearts of the elect, however obstinate, and inclines them to believe; while He leaves the non-elect in His just judgment to their own wickedness and obduracy. And herein is especially displayed the profound, the merciful, and at the same time the righteous discrimination between men equally involved in ruin; or that decree of election and reprobation, revealed in the Word of God, which, though men of perverse, impure, and unstable minds wrest it to their own destruction, yet to holy and pious souls affords unspeakable consolation.
FIRST HEAD: ARTICLE 6. That some receive the gift of faith from God, and others do not receive it, proceeds from God's eternal decree. "For known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world" (Acts 15:18 A.V.). "who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will" (Eph 1:11). According to which decree He graciously softens the hearts of the elect, however obstinate, and inclines them to believe; while He leaves the non-elect in His just judgment to their own wickedness and obduracy. And herein is especially displayed the profound, the merciful, and at the same time the righteous discrimination between men equally involved in ruin; or that decree of election and reprobation, revealed in the Word of God, which, though men of perverse, impure, and unstable minds wrest it to their own destruction, yet to holy and pious souls affords unspeakable consolation.
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Yet your right here debating on it along with everyone else. So were all scared, and your only here to help us get through our fears-right?
Plus your on every other thread about this topic.
Dont act like you arent just as much involved in these debates as everyone else
Then again you say you cannot sin, because John says you cannot as a Christian.
And you lived in sin and are still saved, but if we live in sin we were never saved.
NM i guess it's not surpising you act like were all fighting and your not
Plus your on every other thread about this topic.
Dont act like you arent just as much involved in these debates as everyone else
Then again you say you cannot sin, because John says you cannot as a Christian.
And you lived in sin and are still saved, but if we live in sin we were never saved.
NM i guess it's not surpising you act like were all fighting and your not
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I am back, it has been a couple weeks since been on here. Yes nobody sins accidentally, but once again it comes down to what I have mentioned before. The willful sinner the bible speaks about is the one who continues to sin with out remorse, conviction, repentance, and does not believe they are doing anything wrong. That is the willful sinner that will not inherit the kingdom the bible speaks about, and says that after being saved if you continue this way you will not inherit the kingdom.
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If you are this way, You have never been saved.
You have never repented. If you think you can sin and not have any remorse you honestly do not think it is a sin to begin with.
If you have no conviction. You have not been taught by God
And considering the above 2. You have yet to repent.
To say one can be saved and do this is to say God will save someone just on mere belief (I said a prayer and God saved me, I do not have to trust him, I just have to believe) this is not found in Scripture.