once saved always saved?
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more lies from men
1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
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and this got knocked back
we are on a new page now
im very busy today
but i pray God reveals to you His grace
and what it means to be sealed
and have the spirit of adoption in you
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many errors come from lack of context
conflating instruction for righteousness (fruitful works)
reproof to those who seek to establish their own righteousness (false door)
commandments
condemnation
advice
and laws
we are by grace through faith
and kept by His power
the true sign of a genuine faith
is a new heart
new spirit
and that our faith is not some fake flimsy faith with which it is possible to walk away from belief by choice or desire
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What you are describing is weak faith, not no faith at all.
Besides, the second type of soil produced the fruit of joy in their believing. It didn't last because the word was not deeply rooted in their heart because of some hardness of heart still existing in them.
In the case of the 2nd type of soil, the fact that they stopped believing shows they had weak and not firmly rooted faith, not non-existent faith. That's why we are exhorted to grow in faith, so that the word goes down deep and won't be easily uprooted when trials and tribulations come our way and so we can persevere to the very end.
Besides, the second type of soil produced the fruit of joy in their believing. It didn't last because the word was not deeply rooted in their heart because of some hardness of heart still existing in them.
In the case of the 2nd type of soil, the fact that they stopped believing shows they had weak and not firmly rooted faith, not non-existent faith. That's why we are exhorted to grow in faith, so that the word goes down deep and won't be easily uprooted when trials and tribulations come our way and so we can persevere to the very end.
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Which is why in your doctrine you can not know for sure that you are truly saved until have died and you see what side you ended up on. And that's supposed to be the doctrine of security and assurance(?)
In the Bible, security of salvation comes from continued believing. And the assurance that you are doing that believing comes from your changed/changing life. Now that's a doctrine of security.
Just keep believing/trusting, Monnkai. That is how you have the security of Christ in salvation..........through your believing. Not through a supposed doctrine of never being able to lose your salvation no matter what, but through your believing.
In the Bible, security of salvation comes from continued believing. And the assurance that you are doing that believing comes from your changed/changing life. Now that's a doctrine of security.
Just keep believing/trusting, Monnkai. That is how you have the security of Christ in salvation..........through your believing. Not through a supposed doctrine of never being able to lose your salvation no matter what, but through your believing.
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No where in the Bible is 'believing' said to be among the works that constitute the works gospel. In fact, the exact opposite is said about believing. It IS the very thing you must do to be justified and saved.
But if you are sure believing is a work of the works gospel that can not save then post the verse(s).
But if you are sure believing is a work of the works gospel that can not save then post the verse(s).
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The works gospel is not defined by 'if you have to do anything, then it's you trying to save yourself'.
The works gospel is defined by 'I must do the righteous works of the law to be justified'. Believing in Christ is not included in that.
Believing is in fact the very thing you MUST do to be justified/saved. Works in the infamous works gospel are not defined as 'anything you do to try to be justified'. Paul plainly said it is the doing of the works of the law to be justified that constitutes the works gospel that can not save. He contrasts believing in Christ with those works of the law, not equates it with them as EG is doing.
The works gospel is defined by 'I must do the righteous works of the law to be justified'. Believing in Christ is not included in that.
Believing is in fact the very thing you MUST do to be justified/saved. Works in the infamous works gospel are not defined as 'anything you do to try to be justified'. Paul plainly said it is the doing of the works of the law to be justified that constitutes the works gospel that can not save. He contrasts believing in Christ with those works of the law, not equates it with them as EG is doing.
it amazes me that some people cannot understand that we have nothing to offer in our salvation. nothing. Paul said " we were dead in our trespasses and sins ". dead. so, the only spirt life is infused by the Holy Sprit.
yet there are some that run around with a dead animal in there hands, and try to convince us that it has something to offer up to God to " do it's part " in getting and staying saved. amazing.
yet there are some that run around with a dead animal in there hands, and try to convince us that it has something to offer up to God to " do it's part " in getting and staying saved. amazing.
