Once saved always saved?
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If you start in verse 22 it might give you a better understanding of the big pitcher. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith "OF" Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe, but before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith that should afterwards be revealed, wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by (Christ's) faith. but after faith has come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
This is a clear demonstration of failing to understand Scripture.
Being justified is the same thing as being saved.
Rom 3:28 - For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Rom 5:1 - Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
We are saved the same way; by faith. Eph 2:8
Being justified is the same thing as being saved.
Rom 3:28 - For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Rom 5:1 - Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
We are saved the same way; by faith. Eph 2:8
FreeGrace2 said:
You keep using "adopted children of God". However, the Bible never uses that phrase.
Like I said, the Bible NEVER uses that term. Use biblical terms.
Do you know when the adoption occurs? Please explain.
You keep using "adopted children of God". However, the Bible never uses that phrase.
Like I said, the Bible NEVER uses that term. Use biblical terms.
Do you know when the adoption occurs? Please explain.
FreeGrace2 said:
John 1:12 - Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
v.13 teaches that we don't give birth to ourselves. Nor do we choose to be born. God does all of this for believers. We believe the gospel message, and God does all the rest.
What's your point?
John 1:12 - Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
v.13 teaches that we don't give birth to ourselves. Nor do we choose to be born. God does all of this for believers. We believe the gospel message, and God does all the rest.
What's your point?
FreeGrace2 said:
Clear enough. Those who believe are children of God. Stick with biblical terms.
Show me any verse that used your nonbiblical term.
Show me any verse with "adopted children of God" in it.
And when does the adoption occur? Do you know? Explain, if you do.
If you don't explain, then I'll know that you don't know.
Clear enough. Those who believe are children of God. Stick with biblical terms.
Show me any verse that used your nonbiblical term.
Show me any verse with "adopted children of God" in it.
And when does the adoption occur? Do you know? Explain, if you do.
If you don't explain, then I'll know that you don't know.
FreeGrace2 said:
Interesting. Your verse doesn't even mention "adopted children of God".
Huh? How can it be a "biblical term" when the Bible NEVER uses that term?
Interesting. Your verse doesn't even mention "adopted children of God".
Huh? How can it be a "biblical term" when the Bible NEVER uses that term?
FreeGrace2 said:
I've aready made very clear that salvation is by faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ. So don't condescend to me.
Initially, yes. But Jesus sent His apostles to "all the world" to preach the gospel. So don't try to kid me. I know the Bible.
I've aready made very clear that salvation is by faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ. So don't condescend to me.
Initially, yes. But Jesus sent His apostles to "all the world" to preach the gospel. So don't try to kid me. I know the Bible.
FreeGrace2 said:
iow, do you trust the promise of God or not?
Exactly! And eternal soul salvation is by trusting in the specific promise of the gospel, which is John 3:16.
iow, do you trust the promise of God or not?
Exactly! And eternal soul salvation is by trusting in the specific promise of the gospel, which is John 3:16.
FreeGrace2 said:
When will you be sharing any of them? So far, all you've done is make claims
Oh, puullleeeeeeze. How do you know it is YOU who are misunderstanding your own verses?
What I showed is that NONE of the verses you cite/quote SAY what you SAY.
The Bereans searched the Scriptures daily to see if what Paul SAID was true.
Do you understand this? They knew what Paul SAID, so they compared THAT to what the Scriptures SAY. And they found that what Paul SAID was the SAME as what the Bible SAYS.
You, otoh, don't say what the Bible says. Not even close. That's the problem.
When will you be sharing any of them? So far, all you've done is make claims
Oh, puullleeeeeeze. How do you know it is YOU who are misunderstanding your own verses?
What I showed is that NONE of the verses you cite/quote SAY what you SAY.
The Bereans searched the Scriptures daily to see if what Paul SAID was true.
Do you understand this? They knew what Paul SAID, so they compared THAT to what the Scriptures SAY. And they found that what Paul SAID was the SAME as what the Bible SAYS.
You, otoh, don't say what the Bible says. Not even close. That's the problem.
And neither trust or faith is a spiritual issue.
I do not know WHY you flat out deny that FACT.
Spiritual issues have to do with spiritual life. Like being filled with the Spirit (Eph 5:18). Like NOT grieving the Spirit (Eph 4:30). Like NOT quenching the Spirit (1 Thess 5:19).
Thinks like that.
But will you understand that?
I do not know WHY you flat out deny that FACT.
Spiritual issues have to do with spiritual life. Like being filled with the Spirit (Eph 5:18). Like NOT grieving the Spirit (Eph 4:30). Like NOT quenching the Spirit (1 Thess 5:19).
Thinks like that.
But will you understand that?
Just passing through for now. Will respond later. Another non-OSAS passage which speaks of conditional security.
Colossians 1:
"Reconciled in Christ
19For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
21And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
Colossians 1:
"Reconciled in Christ
19For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
21And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.