I appreciate your opinions too, but I would hope all Christians can reconcile the issues, for we all read the same Bible and we all pray to the same God and that combination should result in unity and love and friendship. I hope we can all work together and find the truth together. That is why I love to be associated with this chat room. Thanks for being here too.
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this is propaganda, lol.
I'm not saying that these things don't happen, but are you seriously thinking that there aren't the same types of men in your denomination?
You are blinded by the culture of your congregation.
I was a Pentecostal (Arminianist) before coming to my current church (Independent, but similar doctrine to Baptist).
I did not leave the denomination for doctrinal issues, even though I did eventual disagree.
I left because the pastor left for Florida after he funneled 45% of the church budget into a personal account,
and ruined 3 families finances by getting them involved in a failed real estate scheme.
Corruption can hit any denomination.
The fact that you have used these types of arguments consistently and constantly means that you have been fed propaganda.
I'm not saying that these things don't happen, but are you seriously thinking that there aren't the same types of men in your denomination?
You are blinded by the culture of your congregation.
I was a Pentecostal (Arminianist) before coming to my current church (Independent, but similar doctrine to Baptist).
I did not leave the denomination for doctrinal issues, even though I did eventual disagree.
I left because the pastor left for Florida after he funneled 45% of the church budget into a personal account,
and ruined 3 families finances by getting them involved in a failed real estate scheme.
Corruption can hit any denomination.
The fact that you have used these types of arguments consistently and constantly means that you have been fed propaganda.
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If we do not believe that once we are saved that we will always be saved, then what hope do we have? Scripture tells us that not one of the children that the Father has given to His son will be lost. Therefore, the way that we should look at this issue has nothing to do with our ability to never sin, for as Paul says we should no longer go on sinning, even though since we are humans we will slip up. But rather, this issue comes down to whether we believe God is capable and able to hold us like He promises. If we believe that God does fulfill His promises, then those that continually sin are in one of two places. They are Christians who are in outright rebellion against God and will eventually be drawn back to God, or they are not Christians and have never been a Christian.
Unconditional salvation has not been promised to anyone..
be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life Rev 2:10
For "IF" ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But "IF" ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses Mt 6:14,15
For "IF" we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Now "IF" we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Rom 6:5,8
For "IF" ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but "IF" ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Rom 8:13
Therefore "IF" any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Cor 5:17
"IF" ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; Col 1:23
"IF" a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 2 Tim 2:21
How shall we escape, "IF" we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; Heb 2:3
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, "IF" we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. Heb 3:6
For we are made partakers of Christ, "IF" we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; Heb 3:14
"IF" they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:6
Brethren, "IF" any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; James 5:19
For "IF" these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Pet 1:8
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for "IF" ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 2 Pet 1:10
But "IF" we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 1 Jn 1:7
"IF" we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 Jn 1:9
And hereby we do know that we know him, "IF" we keep his commandments. 1 Jn 2:3
Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. "IF" that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 1 Jn 2:24
be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life Rev 2:10
For "IF" ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But "IF" ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses Mt 6:14,15
For "IF" we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Now "IF" we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Rom 6:5,8
For "IF" ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but "IF" ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Rom 8:13
Therefore "IF" any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Cor 5:17
"IF" ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; Col 1:23
"IF" a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 2 Tim 2:21
How shall we escape, "IF" we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; Heb 2:3
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, "IF" we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. Heb 3:6
For we are made partakers of Christ, "IF" we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; Heb 3:14
"IF" they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Heb 6:6
Brethren, "IF" any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; James 5:19
For "IF" these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Pet 1:8
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for "IF" ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 2 Pet 1:10
But "IF" we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 1 Jn 1:7
"IF" we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 Jn 1:9
And hereby we do know that we know him, "IF" we keep his commandments. 1 Jn 2:3
Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. "IF" that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 1 Jn 2:24
Sin is the very reason one is lost.
Eternal Security says that NOTHING one does can cause him to be lost.
So Eternal security has effectively done away with sin. Therefore if adultery, lying, stealing cannot cause one to be lost then they must not be sins. But if these sins can cause a Christian to be lost, then there is no such thing as eternal security.
Eternal Security says that NOTHING one does can cause him to be lost.
So Eternal security has effectively done away with sin. Therefore if adultery, lying, stealing cannot cause one to be lost then they must not be sins. But if these sins can cause a Christian to be lost, then there is no such thing as eternal security.
I am not sinless and my sins will cause me to be lost "IF" not repented of.
Eternal security says one does not have to conditionally repent. Eternal security says one can NEVER be lost under ANY circumstance no matter what he does. So eternal security thinks it has done away with sin, therefore a Christian can commit adultery and it has no effect on his salvation so that adultery must not be sin.
Eternal security says one does not have to conditionally repent. Eternal security says one can NEVER be lost under ANY circumstance no matter what he does. So eternal security thinks it has done away with sin, therefore a Christian can commit adultery and it has no effect on his salvation so that adultery must not be sin.
Again, I do not excuse my sin, I said my sin will cause me to be lost if I do not repent. 1 Jn 1:7 Christ's blood cleanses away ALL sins IF I continue to walk in the light.
But the thread is not about my sins, it's about the falsehood of eternal security thinking it has eradicated sin completely, that people can commit adultery and still be saved meaning adultery must not be sin.
But the thread is not about my sins, it's about the falsehood of eternal security thinking it has eradicated sin completely, that people can commit adultery and still be saved meaning adultery must not be sin.
[h=1]1 John 2 New American Standard Bible (NASB)[/h][h=3]Christ Is Our Advocate[/h]2 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; [SUP]2 [/SUP]and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Would you add "if you repent" to the end of verse 1?
Would you add "if you repent" to the end of verse 1?