Paper Money and Fiat Currency is the Mark of the Beast

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As far as the "stars falling from heaven," you have to once again think from a 2000 year old time frame. Everything in the sky except for the sun and the moon was considered a star, which would include asteroids, meteorites, comets, etc. There were no scientific classifications for bodies in the cosmos. Therefore, the mention of the stars falling from heaven to the earth, is most likely speaking about meteorites hitting the earths atmosphere. We can deduce this by taking into consideration that, a real star like our sun, would destroy the earth even before it got to it. Even if our own moon, which is not a star, were to hit the earth it would destroy us. We always have to put ourselves in John's time frame when reading certain events.
I am familiar with these theories, but then I cannot adhere to them because basically that would be saying that God and all prophets are just liars. I believe that the stars will fall from heaven to the earth, that the Sun and the Moon will also be smote. I believe the book as it is written. I would think that merely that it is rather mankind that is wrong about the cosmos, sizes of the stars and their proximity, or saying that the Sun is a star, and so forth. When I see such theories there is a little voice inside of me that says "let every man be a liar and let God be true."
 

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Well I am not saying EMPs are in scripture lol, merely using that example to highlight the fragility of today's current technology. If a few paltry EMPs could send us back to the dark ages; how much moreso the wrath of God?

I think in regards to the second trumpet, as with all the cataclysms that they are quite literal, that they will actually happen in the way described. I see no reason to doubt a burning mountain falling into the oceans and smiting the waters.

I think also the mark of the beast can work without technology. A mark identifies someone, having tattoo on your face is pretty noticeable lol.
As long as that tattoo has the ability to perform electronic crediting and debiting to ones bank account, it doesn't matter to me what it ends up being. I do know however without a doubt the mark is going to run on the current electronic crediting and debiting system that is in place. Instead of swiping a card, it will be the scanning of the hand, which will debit ones account.
 
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What does the Torah have do with the rest of the people of the earth who are Gentiles. They would not be abiding by the Torah. And yet, the scripture states that he will cause all, both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave to receive the mark. That means all people, not just Israel.

Sir, there already is microchipping. Therefore your claim is moot. It's already happening. Did you even watch the video? If you would do some checking you find that this is already in process. The technology is already here.

I have plenty of understanding, as I have been studying end-time events for 45 years and have been watching its evolution. I knew before people began to be implanted that it was going to take place. I just kept watching and sure enough, it happened and is continuing to evolve.

How can something that is currently happening be a delusion?

I understand what you believe, but just keep watching, because this is going to be more and more obvious.
Because the Torah is still binding, hence, "I did not come to abolish the Torah", and "in the Torah is the knowledge of sin". It's precisely because of your lack of knowledge and understanding regarding the Torah that you cannot discern the evil behind paper money and fiat currency, so rather than perceive our form of money today to be the fulfillment of the mark of the beast, you fantasize about microchips and absurd things that are not going to happen, because it's already here, paper money and fiat currency. Sigh. You people make me sad, the ignorance and stubbornness is very great among you.
 
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As long as that tattoo has the ability to perform crediting and debiting to ones bank account, it doesn't matter to me what it ends up being. I do know however without a doubt the mark is going to run on the current electronic crediting and debiting system that is in place. Instead of swiping a card, it will be the scanning of the hand, which will debit ones account.
Well who is to say that electronic banking would even exist at that time? It could be as simple as if you ain't got the tattoo to identify yourself then no one is going to sell to you nor buy from you. They could just simply refuse to do business with you. This wouldn't even be that far-fetched of an idea to implement and would actually be way easier than microchipping people when one considers similar prohibitions were tried during the Nazi Germany era marking out the jews with gold star armbands and that wasn't even 100 years a go.
 

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It varies. God will always provide for the needs of his people. Do you want that list of the dates or not?
Ummm which list of dates?

I agree that God always provides for his people. But sometimes in the course of that provision, we learn that our interpretation of the scriptures wasn't quite correct. At least that's what I've experienced.

I assume that most people where you live either own or rent the place they live. That is if they have a place to live. So, assuming that they currently own where they live, and they want their house to be part of your community, how will they pay their utility bills or things like that?
 
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Ummm which list of dates?

I agree that God always provides for his people. But sometimes in the course of that provision, we learn that our interpretation of the scriptures wasn't quite correct. At least that's what I've experienced.

I assume that most people where you live either own or rent the place they live. That is if they have a place to live. So, assuming that they currently own where they live, and they want their house to be part of your community, how will they pay their utility bills or things like that?
These particular list of dates,

Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

I would like to publish the estimated dates of the events of the 1 year great tribulation.

These dates and times are based in Jerusalem, which is where prophetic time is measured from. To convert these dates and times, add or subtract based on the timezone you are in. For Medellín, Colombia, which is GMT-5 timezone, subtract 8 hours. For Fort Lauderdale, Florida, which is EDT timezone, subtract 7 hours if it is daylight savings time, or 8 hours if it is not daylight savings time.

All these dates are estimated, because Nisan 1 in 2026 AD falls under March 19th, and the equinox in Jerusalem is known to be around March 20th, so there may be a 1 month shift of all the dates of the events below to around 1 month later, although this is not likely.

Two Witnesses Begin to Prophesy
Note: 1,260 days prior to their death after the sixth trumpet blast in the morning in Jerusalem time of September 17, 2026 or 6 Tishri 5787 AM. They will begin prophesying in the morning of 15 Nisan, which is on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread in 15 Nisan after the Passover in Nisan 14.
Day of the Week: Thursday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: April 6, 2023 AD = 15 Nisan 5783 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5996 YB

Federalization of Europe into United States of Europe
Note: 15 literal days prior to the destruction of Vatican City, which is 1 prophetic hour of how long the 10 nations rule with the USE, which is written, "the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not been given a kingdom yet, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast" and "you great city, you mighty city, Babylon, for in a single hour your judgment has come" and "for in a single hour all this wealth has been laid waste". Also the beginning of the "one" prophetic day, which is 1 literal year of 360 literal days, which says, "her plagues will come in a single day, death and mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire, for mighty is the Master God who has judged her".
Day of the Week: Sunday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: March 1, 2026 AD = 12 Adar 5786 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5999 YB

Destruction of Vatican City and Global Collapse of Paper Money and Fiat Currency
Note: 180 literal days prior to the appointed time of the trumpet blasts, which is 6 full 30 day months prior before the appointed time of the trumpet blasts in the 1st day of the 7th month of Tishri. Also the end of the 1 prophetic hour of how long the 10 nations rule with the USE.
Day of the Week: Monday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: March 16, 2026 AD = 27 Adar 5786 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5999 YB

Appointed Time of the Second Coming of the Messiah
Note: 7.5 literal days prior to the appointed time of the trumpet blasts, which is 1/2 prophetic hour before the appointed time of trumpets, which would therefore be in the morning in Jerusalem time of the 21st day of Elul. Elul 21 and not Elul 22 because Elul only has 29 days.
Day of the Week: Thursday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: September 3, 2026 AD = 21 Elul 5786 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5999 YB

Appointed Time of Trumpet Blasts
Note: On the 1st day of the 7th month. The dark phase of the moon is calculated to be on September 10, and then, on September 12 will be the crescent moon, which is the "new moon" of the Torah. This is also the reference point for the times of all the surrounding events before and after, for the trumpet blasts must happen on a specific day in accordance to the Torah.
Day of the Week: Saturday
Torah Ancient 360 Day Calendar with 30 Day Lunations: New Moon 7 Day 1 5999 YB
Roman and Jewish Calendar: September 12, 2026 AD = 1 Tishri 5787 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5999 YB

5th Trumpet Blast
Note: On the 5th day of the 7th month, which is when angels are released to prevent men from killing themselves, in order to force them to endure the plagues that happen beginning in Tishri 15.
Day of the Week: Wednesday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: September 16, 2026 AD = 5 Tishi 5787 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5999 YB

Death of the Two Witnesses
Note: Happens in between the 6th trumpet blast and the 7th trumpet blast, so they will die in the morning after the 6th trumpet blast is blasted in the evening, which is the beginning the 6th day of the 7th month, for the days in the Torah begin in the evening.
Day of the Week: Thursday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: September 17, 2026 AD = 6 Tishri 5787 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5999 YB

Gathering of the People of God
Note: 10 days after Tishri 1, which is the Day of Atonement in Tishri 10, which is the day the great shofar is blasted in accordance to the beginning of the Yovel year, which is when the people of God are gathered, hence "and you Israel, will be gathered one by one, and on that day the great shofar will be blasted". This is also the beginning of the year 6000 YB.
Roman and Jewish Calendar: September 21, 2026 AD = 10 Tishi 5787 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 6000 YB

Beginning of the 7 Plagues of Revelation
Note: These plagues happen for 7 days. Beginning of the 5 months of the sting of the angels released under the 5 trumpet blast, which will commence at the first plague, which are boils, that will cause agony that will cause men to gnaw their tongues.
Day of the Week: Saturday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: September 26, 2026 AD = 15 Tishri 5787 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 6000 YB

Last Man to be Judged and Destroyed in the Lake of Lava Among the Nations
Note: 5 full 30 day months after the first bowl of wrath is poured, which will thus be the completion of the "one" prophetic day, which is 1 literal year of 360 total days, from the time the United States of Europe is formed until the last man is thrown into the lake of lava from the nations, and so will be fulfilled the words "her plagues will come in a single day, death and mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire, for mighty is the Master God who has judged her". Adar 16 and not Adar 15 because Tevet only has 29 days.
Day of the Week: Tuesday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: February 23, 2027 AD = 16 Adar I 5787 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 6000 YB
 

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These particular list of dates,

Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

I would like to publish the estimated dates of the events of the 1 year great tribulation.

These dates and times are based in Jerusalem, which is where prophetic time is measured from. To convert these dates and times, add or subtract based on the timezone you are in. For Medellín, Colombia, which is GMT-5 timezone, subtract 8 hours. For Fort Lauderdale, Florida, which is EDT timezone, subtract 7 hours if it is daylight savings time, or 8 hours if it is not daylight savings time.

All these dates are estimated, because Nisan 1 in 2026 AD falls under March 19th, and the equinox in Jerusalem is known to be around March 20th, so there may be a 1 month shift of all the dates of the events below to around 1 month later, although this is not likely.

Two Witnesses Begin to Prophesy
Note: 1,260 days prior to their death after the sixth trumpet blast in the morning in Jerusalem time of September 17, 2026 or 6 Tishri 5787 AM. They will begin prophesying in the morning of 15 Nisan, which is on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread in 15 Nisan after the Passover in Nisan 14.
Day of the Week: Thursday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: April 6, 2023 AD = 15 Nisan 5783 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5996 YB

Federalization of Europe into United States of Europe
Note: 15 literal days prior to the destruction of Vatican City, which is 1 prophetic hour of how long the 10 nations rule with the USE, which is written, "the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not been given a kingdom yet, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast" and "you great city, you mighty city, Babylon, for in a single hour your judgment has come" and "for in a single hour all this wealth has been laid waste". Also the beginning of the "one" prophetic day, which is 1 literal year of 360 literal days, which says, "her plagues will come in a single day, death and mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire, for mighty is the Master God who has judged her".
Day of the Week: Sunday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: March 1, 2026 AD = 12 Adar 5786 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5999 YB

Destruction of Vatican City and Global Collapse of Paper Money and Fiat Currency
Note: 180 literal days prior to the appointed time of the trumpet blasts, which is 6 full 30 day months prior before the appointed time of the trumpet blasts in the 1st day of the 7th month of Tishri. Also the end of the 1 prophetic hour of how long the 10 nations rule with the USE.
Day of the Week: Monday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: March 16, 2026 AD = 27 Adar 5786 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5999 YB

Appointed Time of the Second Coming of the Messiah
Note: 7.5 literal days prior to the appointed time of the trumpet blasts, which is 1/2 prophetic hour before the appointed time of trumpets, which would therefore be in the morning in Jerusalem time of the 21st day of Elul. Elul 21 and not Elul 22 because Elul only has 29 days.
Day of the Week: Thursday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: September 3, 2026 AD = 21 Elul 5786 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5999 YB

Appointed Time of Trumpet Blasts
Note: On the 1st day of the 7th month. The dark phase of the moon is calculated to be on September 10, and then, on September 12 will be the crescent moon, which is the "new moon" of the Torah. This is also the reference point for the times of all the surrounding events before and after, for the trumpet blasts must happen on a specific day in accordance to the Torah.
Day of the Week: Saturday
Torah Ancient 360 Day Calendar with 30 Day Lunations: New Moon 7 Day 1 5999 YB
Roman and Jewish Calendar: September 12, 2026 AD = 1 Tishri 5787 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5999 YB

5th Trumpet Blast
Note: On the 5th day of the 7th month, which is when angels are released to prevent men from killing themselves, in order to force them to endure the plagues that happen beginning in Tishri 15.
Day of the Week: Wednesday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: September 16, 2026 AD = 5 Tishi 5787 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5999 YB

Death of the Two Witnesses
Note: Happens in between the 6th trumpet blast and the 7th trumpet blast, so they will die in the morning after the 6th trumpet blast is blasted in the evening, which is the beginning the 6th day of the 7th month, for the days in the Torah begin in the evening.
Day of the Week: Thursday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: September 17, 2026 AD = 6 Tishri 5787 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 5999 YB

Gathering of the People of God
Note: 10 days after Tishri 1, which is the Day of Atonement in Tishri 10, which is the day the great shofar is blasted in accordance to the beginning of the Yovel year, which is when the people of God are gathered, hence "and you Israel, will be gathered one by one, and on that day the great shofar will be blasted". This is also the beginning of the year 6000 YB.
Roman and Jewish Calendar: September 21, 2026 AD = 10 Tishi 5787 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 6000 YB

Beginning of the 7 Plagues of Revelation
Note: These plagues happen for 7 days. Beginning of the 5 months of the sting of the angels released under the 5 trumpet blast, which will commence at the first plague, which are boils, that will cause agony that will cause men to gnaw their tongues.
Day of the Week: Saturday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: September 26, 2026 AD = 15 Tishri 5787 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 6000 YB

Last Man to be Judged and Destroyed in the Lake of Lava Among the Nations
Note: 5 full 30 day months after the first bowl of wrath is poured, which will thus be the completion of the "one" prophetic day, which is 1 literal year of 360 total days, from the time the United States of Europe is formed until the last man is thrown into the lake of lava from the nations, and so will be fulfilled the words "her plagues will come in a single day, death and mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire, for mighty is the Master God who has judged her". Adar 16 and not Adar 15 because Tevet only has 29 days.
Day of the Week: Tuesday
Roman and Jewish Calendar: February 23, 2027 AD = 16 Adar I 5787 AM
Year Since The Beginning: 6000 YB
That's an interesting list.

so the people who own homes and want to be part of your community, how will they pay their utility bills?
 

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As long as that tattoo has the ability to perform electronic crediting and debiting to ones bank account, it doesn't matter to me what it ends up being. I do know however without a doubt the mark is going to run on the current electronic crediting and debiting system that is in place. Instead of swiping a card, it will be the scanning of the hand, which will debit ones account.
I agree with that. Thats the literal interpretation, its a mark in the hand or forehead and used for purchasing. Perfect match.
 

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I am familiar with these theories, but then I cannot adhere to them because basically that would be saying that God and all prophets are just liars. I believe that the stars will fall from heaven to the earth, that the Sun and the Moon will also be smote. I believe the book as it is written.
Really?! As soon as even one real star hit the earth, the rest of the prophesies in the book of Revelation could not be fulfilled and that because the earth would no longer exist. Nor would there be a millennial kingdom for Christ to rule from on this present earth.

It doesn't mean that they are liars, it just requires us, the future readers, to put into perspective what is being said. You can't have real stars falling to the earth. John calls them stars because that was the classification for all of the bodies out there. Did you read the part where I said "they had no scientific classifications back then?" Everything to them was a star. John even refers to an angel as a stars and that because that is how they appeared in his vision.

I would think that merely that it is rather mankind that is wrong about the cosmos, sizes of the stars and their proximity, or saying that the Sun is a star, and so forth. When I see such theories there is a little voice inside of me that says "let every man be a liar and let God be true."
Well, I can prove you wrong there. Is the sun not a star? And if it were to come towards the earth would it not destroy us before it even hit us? Use the discernment that God gave you.

While it is true that at one point the sun and moon are literally going to be darkened, it cannot be true for stars to fall to the earth. Therefore, the reader has to do some thinking here. Consider the following:

"Then the fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to earth, and it was given the key to the pit of the Abyss. 2The star opened the pit of the Abyss, and smoke rose out of it like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened by the smoke from the pit."

Can a literal star be given a key to open the Abyss? Of course not! Therefore, we must use discernment to understand what or the star is. Same with the following:

"And his tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and he cast them to the earth."

Is he a literal dragon, or is the dragon figuratively representing Satan?

The stars that the dragon is sweeping out of heaven, are they actual stars or are the stars figuratively representing Satan's angels?

In same way, we need to look at the stars that are falling from heaven to the earth and discern that they cannot be literal stars and that because just one would completely destroy the earth. Therefore, "stars" would have to be referring to what we know as either meteorites and/or asteroids.
 

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Because the Torah is still binding, hence, "I did not come to abolish the Torah", and "in the Torah is the knowledge of sin".
Jesus came to fulfill the Torah, bringing it to its closure, not to perpetuate it. The same fact remains that mankind is unable to fulfill the law. Jesus came and fulfilled it for those who would believe. Those who do not believe will be judged by it. But regarding the law, have you never read the following:

"The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law."

"For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes."

"Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."

It's precisely because of your lack of knowledge and understanding regarding the Torah that you cannot discern the evil behind paper money and fiat currency, so rather than perceive our form of money today to be the fulfillment of the mark of the beast, you fantasize about microchips and absurd things that are not going to happen, because it's already here, paper money and fiat currency. Sigh. You people make me sad, the ignorance and stubbornness is very great among you.
You don't even know me and you assume that I lack knowledge and understanding of the law, which is false. The problem here is that you have adopted a certain teaching and you are unwilling to yield to the truth of these matters. Unfortunately the case today. Most are unteachable. However, I don't need to explain myself any further. Just keep watching the world and all that i have told you will continue to be revealed. I just hope that you don't ignore the mark as being a literal device, as an excuse to continue being able to electronically buy and sell. Don't argue with me, just keep watching. Because that is the only way that it is going to be proven to you, hopefully.
 

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That remains to be seen. Things are flexible here in Colombia.
Let's take the electric company where you live. Do they currently accept payments that are outside of the Fiat money system?
 

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Well who is to say that electronic banking would even exist at that time? It could be as simple as if you ain't got the tattoo to identify yourself then no one is going to sell to you nor buy from you. They could just simply refuse to do business with you. This wouldn't even be that far-fetched of an idea to implement and would actually be way easier than microchipping people when one considers similar prohibitions were tried during the Nazi Germany era marking out the jews with gold star armbands and that wasn't even 100 years a go.
Well, you can keep on thinking that. However, I am going to continue watching the evolution of this in the same way that I have for the last 45 years. I study this stuff. I was draw to it when I first came to Christ. I am not just giving you a assumed possibility. I know what is happening. The reason that we know that electronic banking will exist during the tribulation is because it exists now. To think otherwise is a false assumption.

As I said, just keep watching the evolution of the chip implant, because that is what is going to evolve into the mark. Guaranteed!
 
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Jesus came to fulfill the Torah, bringing it to its closure, not to perpetuate it. The same fact remains that mankind is unable to fulfill the law. Jesus came and fulfilled it for those who would believe. Those who do not believe will be judged by it. But regarding the law, have you never read the following:

"The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law."

"For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes."

"Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."



You don't even know me and you assume that I lack knowledge and understanding of the law, which is false. The problem here is that you have adopted a certain teaching and you are unwilling to yield to the truth of these matters. Unfortunately the case today. Most are unteachable. However, I don't need to explain myself any further. Just keep watching the world and all that i have told you will continue to be revealed. I just hope that you don't ignore the mark as being a literal device, as an excuse to continue being able to electronically buy and sell. Don't argue with me, just keep watching. Because that is the only way that it is going to be proven to you, hopefully.
The autumn appointed times of the Torah have yet to be fulfilled in the second coming of the Messiah and in his 1,000 year rulership, which is why, "until heaven and earth vanishes away, not one jot or one tittle will pass away from the Torah until all is fulfilled". Once heaven and earth passes away, then the Torah will be fulfilled, for all its appointed times will be fulfilled for this earth by the Messiah. You know nothing, which is why not only you discard the Torah, but fail to understand how paper money and fiat currency are the fulfillment of the mark of the beast, because again, you discard the Torah, which in turn blinds you from the knowledge of sin, and also the appointed times of this earth. You know nothing.
 
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Let's take the electric company where you live. Do they currently accept payments that are outside of the Fiat money system?
Things can be prepaid here in Colombia, as I have done. So, have you come to the understanding that paper money and fiat currency is the mark of the beast?
 

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I agree with that. Thats the literal interpretation, its a mark in the hand or forehead and used for purchasing. Perfect match.
God bless you for also having this insight. I keep imagining these people who think that the mark is observing the Sabbath on Sunday, patting themselves on the back while they wait in line to get their literal mark so that they can buy and sell. Same with these guys thinking that the mark is symbolic referring to paper money, which is being phased out. All their thinking is based on assumptions.

A good rule of thumb regarding the mark, is don't receive anything on your body that has anything to do with buying or selling, period.
 

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The autumn appointed times of the Torah have yet to be fulfilled in the second coming of the Messiah and in his 1,000 year rulership, which is why, "until heaven and earth vanishes away, not one jot or one tittle will pass away from the Torah until all is fulfilled". Once heaven and earth passes away, then the Torah will be fulfilled, for all its appointed times will be fulfilled for this earth by the Messiah. You know nothing, which is why not only you discard the Torah, but fail to understand how paper money and fiat currency are the fulfillment of the mark of the beast, because again, you discard the Torah, which in turn blinds you from the knowledge of sin, and also the appointed times of this earth. You know nothing.
And you ignore what is happening before your very eyes.

As believers in Christ, we are no longer under the torah/law. We are saved by grace through faith and not by our own efforts. It is the gift of God. Anyone who is trusting in the law for salvation will not inherit the kingdom of God.

I've already made known to you that the word "Anastasia" translated as "Revelation" is defined as "something being revealed that was previously hidden," but you continue to ignore those things. The mark of the beast will be something unprecedented which every person will have to have in order to make purchases. The current technology of electronic crediting and debiting and chip implants supports my claim.

We agree to disagree.
 
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Really?! As soon as even one real star hit the earth, the rest of the prophesies in the book of Revelation could not be fulfilled and that because the earth would no longer exist. Nor would there be a millennial kingdom for Christ to rule from on this present earth.

It doesn't mean that they are liars, it just requires us, the future readers, to put into perspective what is being said. You can't have real stars falling to the earth. John calls them stars because that was the classification for all of the bodies out there. Did you read the part where I said "they had no scientific classifications back then?" Everything to them was a star. John even refers to an angel as a stars and that because that is how they appeared in his vision.



Well, I can prove you wrong there. Is the sun not a star? And if it were to come towards the earth would it not destroy us before it even hit us? Use the discernment that God gave you.

While it is true that at one point the sun and moon are literally going to be darkened, it cannot be true for stars to fall to the earth. Therefore, the reader has to do some thinking here. Consider the following:

"Then the fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to earth, and it was given the key to the pit of the Abyss. 2The star opened the pit of the Abyss, and smoke rose out of it like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened by the smoke from the pit."

Can a literal star be given a key to open the Abyss? Of course not! Therefore, we must use discernment to understand what or the star is. Same with the following:

"And his tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and he cast them to the earth."

Is he a literal dragon, or is the dragon figuratively representing Satan?

The stars that the dragon is sweeping out of heaven, are they actual stars or are the stars figuratively representing Satan's angels?

In same way, we need to look at the stars that are falling from heaven to the earth and discern that they cannot be literal stars and that because just one would completely destroy the earth. Therefore, "stars" would have to be referring to what we know as either meteorites and/or asteroids.
No, the Sun is not a star. I believe modern man is wrong and God is right.

Stars can, and will, fall to the earth in the future. Perhaps it is merely a case of the modern man being incorrect about what the stars are, what size they are, and their proximity.

As for Satan, yes he is literally a dragon.

We have to remember John in the vision of the Apocalypse was not just some passive observer from the earth, but he takes us to scenes in both heaven and the earth happening during the Apocalypse.
 

Dan_473

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Things can be prepaid here in Colombia, as I have done. So, have you come to the understanding that paper money and fiat currency is the mark of the beast?
I suppose a wealthy person there could prepay for 7 years worth of electricity. Wouldn't that mean that the person would then have an account at the electric company which would be represented in a dollar amount? Or whatever fiat currency is used in Colombia?

No, I'm not yet convinced that the Fiat money system is the mark of the beast. There's this verse which sounds to me like no one can buy or sell outside of the mark of the beast system. But people are buying and selling today outside of the Fiat money system, I think.
Revelation 13: 17. and that no one would be able to buy or to sell, unless he has that mark, the name of the beast or the number of his name.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Wow this stupid escalated fast.
 
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