Paper Money and Fiat Currency is the Mark of the Beast

[tourist]

Blessed are those who who understand that paper money and fiat currency is the mark of the beast in our time and give it up for the sake of obedience, for it is written, "you shall have righteous weights and quantities", which paper money and fiat currency is not.

What is fiat currency? Are you talking about Bit Coin?

 

[gaviriachristian]

It is only your opinion on what 666 represents and not really an established fact. About once a month someone creates a thread on their unique insights on what the mark of the beast is. How did you come up with the conclusion that all symbols in the book of Revelation are based on the Tanakh?

Because I know the Tanakh very well, so when I read the book of Revelation I understand it based on what the Tanakh says. Someone who knows nothing about the Tanakh reads Revelation and has no understanding.

 

[gaviriachristian]

Most peeps now use debit or credit cards for their everyday financial transactions and not paper money. It is best not to base your understanding of scripture on YouTube videos.

Debit cards and credit cards are based on paper money. And what YouTube videos do you surmise I've watched?

 

[gaviriachristian]

What is fiat currency? Are you talking about Bit Coin?

Should I bother explaining?

 

[tourist]

That is correct, I do not, I do have even have one penny to my name.

How do you survive? Do you have a family that is dependent upon you financially?

 

[Ahwatukee]

I am curious; but where do you get the idea that it must be electronic?

Where do I get that idea? All you have to do is look around. Electronic crediting and debiting is where the world has been going for some time now. Purchases are being done via card swiping and cell phone bank apps, etc., opposed to the use of cash. When someone needs to have money put back to their account, it is done electronically.

Do you suppose technology will only stay where it is at or advance?

That question is continually being answered. Look at what has been taking place with technology so far. It has been increasing exponentially. And will continue to do so in preparation for the emergence of the antichrist and his mark.

What if much of technology were to in fact be lost either before the Apocalypse or during the cataclysmic events which precede Satan being thrown out of heaven and the Beasts rising and the mark being issues?

The technology will still be here and more abundantly during the tribulation period, where eventually everything will be destroyed, with the majority of the population decimated. Regarding your question, consider the following regarding the two witnesses:

"For three and a half days all peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will view their bodies and will not permit them to be laid in a tomb. And those who dwell on the earth will gloat over them, and will celebrate and send each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented them."

How can peoples, tribes and languages and nations view the bodies of the two witnesses lying in the streets of Jerusalem? That should be easy question considering all of the web-cams that are set up world-wide. Case in point, I can go right now and view everyone praying at the wailing wall in Jerusalem by clicking on the following link:

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/israel.html

During the time when the beast comes up out of the Abyss and kills the two witnesses, people all over the world will be able to view their bodies and celebrate.

 

[tourist]

Debit cards and credit cards are based on paper money. And what YouTube videos do you surmise I've watched?

Debit cards and credit cards have no connection whatsoever to paper money. I believe that you mentioned a YouTube video concerning Muslims.

 

[tourist]

Should I bother explaining?

Sure, because I have no idea what fiat currency is.

 

[gaviriachristian]

Debit cards and credit cards have no connection whatsoever to paper money. I believe that you mentioned a YouTube video concerning Muslims.

Yes they do, debit cards are not one currency, and paper money another currency. They are based on one common perceived value. If you pay $10 USD with your debit card to a merchant then he can withdraw $10 USD in paper money. Understand. Basics. 1+1=2.

 

[A-Fool-For-God]

Where do I get that idea? All you have to do is look around. Electronic crediting and debiting is where the world has been going for some time now. Purchases are being done via card swiping and cell phone bank apps, etc., opposed to the use of cash. When someone needs to have money put back to their account, it is done electronically.



That question is continually being answered. Look at what has been taking place with technology so far. It has been increasing exponentially. And will continue to do so in preparation for the emergence of the antichrist and his mark.



The technology will still be here and more abundantly during the tribulation period, where eventually everything will be destroyed, with the majority of the population decimated. Regarding your question, consider the following regarding the two witnesses:

"For three and a half days all peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will view their bodies and will not permit them to be laid in a tomb. And those who dwell on the earth will gloat over them, and will celebrate and send each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented them."

How can peoples, tribes and languages and nations view the bodies of the two witnesses lying in the streets of Jerusalem? That should be easy question considering all of the web-cams that are set up world-wide. Case in point, I can go right now and view everyone praying at the wailing wall in Jerusalem by clicking on the following link:

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/israel.html

During the time when the beast comes up out of the Abyss and kills the two witnesses, people all over the world will be able to view their bodies and celebrate.

Well I was not referring to Elijah and Enoch, but that's an interesting theory.

However I am not convinced that technology as we know it will exist in the Apocalypse. I note that the armies of mortals are described as using swords and spears again and then of course all the many cataclysms from the great earthquake to the stars falling from heaven down to the earth could easily wipe out electronic technology. I mean frankly electronic technology could be wiped out near instantaneously from way lesser cataclysms than those described in the Bible, for instance a mere handful of EMPs could end electronic technology overnight.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Because you have taken something symbolic to be literal, like the Catholic's who took the saying of the Messiah regarding eating his flesh and drinking his blood literal.

The correct way to read the book of Revelation is that, "If the literal sense makes good plain sense, then don't seek any other sense." That said, there is nothing in the context which would lead the reader to apply a symbolic interpretation. Within the context we have reference to the literal right hand and forehead, as well as literal buying and selling.

In addition, the your comparison of eating Christ's flesh as being literal is a terrible comparison to the mark. Since the scripture states that Jesus broke bread and said that it was His body, then it is obvious that the bread figuratively represents His body and the same with His blood. The mark of the beast does not read the same. There is nothing in the context that suggests symbolism regarding the mark.

The book of Revelation is a book of symbols, with interpretations, and just as the people of God will receive the name of God symbolically on their foreheads, which symbolizes belonging to God, so in likewise it is with the mark of the beast and where the mark is symbolically.

Believers in Christ:
"The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name.

Jesus has a new name:
"He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.

The 144,000:
"Then I looked and saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000 who had His name and His Father’s name written on their foreheads.

As you can see, names being written on the forehead is mentioned three times. Therefore, we should believe what it says and not apply a non-literal meaning to it. There is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to believe that the name of the Father, the Lord's new name and the New Jerusalem, whether visible or invisible, that it will not literally be written on the forehead, as clearly stated in scripture.

The mark of the beast symbolizes paper money and fiat currency. Receiving the mark on the forehead symbolizes debt, for a borrower is a slave to his lender, and so whoever buys or sells with credit cards, mortgages, auto loans, which are all based on paper money, have the mark on the forehead symbolically, whereas the right hand is a symbol for authority, meaning whoever merely possesses paper money now has authority to buy and sell, which symbolically means having the mark on the right hand. All of this is understood by the wise, who know the Torah and understand prophecy. But for the regular Joe Schmoe who knows nothing regarding the Torah, he takes these visions literally and goes off on illogical fantasies regarding microchips and 666 tattoos, while ignoring the evil that already exists through the form of money we have today, all to his own demise, through ignorance.

Interpreting the book of Revelation as being symbolic, is the biggest problem today with proper interpretation. It is this teaching that has distorted the meanings of this book. As previously stated, "If the plain literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense." That said, there are many who do exactly that, i.e. apply a symbolic meanings to scriptures that are meant to be interpreted literally. Once this is done, the true meaning is distorted.

Regarding the Torah and as I already pointed out to you, the word "anastasia" translated "Revelation" is defined as "the unveiling of something previously covered." Therefore, the mark which is being revealed only in the book of Revelation, cannot based on the Torah, nor on anything having to do with Solomon's gold. There is nothing at all that would link the two together. It's pure conjecture!

 

[gaviriachristian]

The correct way to read the book of Revelation is that, "If the literal sense makes good plain sense, then don't seek any other sense." That said, there is nothing in the context which would lead the reader to apply a symbolic interpretation. Within the context we have reference to the literal right hand and forehead, as well as literal buying and selling.

In addition, the your comparison of eating Christ's flesh as being literal is a terrible comparison to the mark. Since the scripture states that Jesus broke bread and said that it was His body, then it is obvious that the bread figuratively represents His body and the same with His blood. The mark of the beast does not read the same. There is nothing in the context that suggests symbolism regarding the mark.



Believers in Christ:
"The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name.

Jesus has a new name:
"He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.

The 144,000:
"Then I looked and saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000 who had His name and His Father’s name written on their foreheads.

As you can see, names being written on the forehead is mentioned three times. Therefore, we should believe what it says and not apply a non-literal meaning to it. There is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to believe that the name of the Father, the Lord's new name and the New Jerusalem, whether visible or invisible, that it will not literally be written on the forehead, as clearly stated in scripture.



Interpreting the book of Revelation as being symbolic, is the biggest problem today with proper interpretation. It is this teaching that has distorted the meanings of this book. As previously stated, "If the plain literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense." That said, there are many who do exactly that, i.e. apply a symbolic meanings to scriptures that are meant to be interpreted literally. Once this is done, the true meaning is distorted.

Regarding the Torah and as I already pointed out to you, the word "anastasia" translated "Revelation" is defined as "the unveiling of something previously covered." Therefore, the mark which is being revealed only in the book of Revelation, cannot based on the Torah, nor on anything having to do with Solomon's gold. There is nothing at all that would link the two together. It's pure conjecture!

I can see that nothing I say will persuade you. So continue using paper money and fiat currency, whereas I will not continue not possessing it. Let us see where you end up in 7 years, and where I end up in 7 years.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Well I was not referring to Elijah and Enoch, but that's an interesting theory.

However I am not convinced that technology as we know it will exist in the Apocalypse.

So my next question would be, "how do you explain people from every nation, tribe, language people being able to view the two witnesses lying the streets of Jerusalem?

I note that the armies of mortals are described as using swords and spears again

You have to take into consideration, that neither any of the OT saints, nor John, are going to be able to use the terms gun, missiles, etc. The closest thing that they would have had to relate to weapons seen in visions of the future would be swords, spears and bows and arrows. This falls under the same reason why John calls this device that goes in right hand or forehead "the mark." John can't say, "He causes all people to receive an injection of a computer device under the skin of his hand or forehead which will allow them to electronically credit and debit their bank accounts" and that because he has nothing to compare that technology to.

and then of course all the many cataclysms from the great earthquake to the stars falling from heaven down to the earth could easily wipe out electronic technology.

When attempting to interpret Revelation, always keep in mind that someone from 2000 years ago is trying to convey future events and that he has nothing to compare it to. Now, when John is speaking about things of nature such as horses, snakes, mountains, oceans, rivers, etc., then we are all on the same page. But for the technological things such as the mark, guns, missiles, etc., he has no comparable reference. Regarding this, consider the following:

"Terror will seize them, pain and anguish will grip them; they will writhe like a woman in labor. They will look aghast at each other, their faces aflame."

Literally, their faces on fire. This sound to me like Isaiah is describing those in the tribulation catching on fire due to being in the radius of a Nuclear blast. Those right in the vicinity would be incineration, while those further away would catch fire from the heat.

I mean frankly electronic technology could be wiped out near instantaneously from way lesser cataclysms than those described in the Bible, for instance a mere handful of EMPs could end electronic technology overnight.

The mark is going to be some technological device used to credit and debit a persons bank account, which will either tattooed or implanted on or under the skin of the hand or forehead. Whatever it turns out to be, what will be consistant is that it will be on the literal hand or the forehead.

 

[A-Fool-For-God]

I am familiar with this theory and mode of thinking, but I simply find it to be lacking. It's all based on the assumption that technology as we know it will exist at the end of times. Furthermore even if we make the bold assumption that technology as we know it exists at the beginning, well when the seals start cracking, our current technology being as sensitive as it is, will not be able to withstand the severity of the cataclysms which follow.

I think to myself it has to be pretty easy for technology to be wiped out in the blink of an eye even in this present age by merely a handful EMPs. How much moreso then is it easy for tech to cease is stars fall from heaven?

 

[Ahwatukee]

I can see that nothing I say will persuade you. So continue using paper money and fiat currency, whereas I will not continue not possessing it. Let us see where you end up in 7 years, and where I end up in 7 years.

And if I might ask, what are you using to make your daily purchases, if not paper money?

According to your interpretation, the apostles and the first century church are all guilty of the taking the mark of the beast:

"On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made."

I just hope that for the sake of your interpetation, that later you won't be standing in line to get your electronic device (mark) in order to make purchases. Because if you do, you will be doing verbatum of what scripture says not to do. People will be receiving this mark to save their lives, i.e. to continue buying food, to pay their debts and to acquire all the other necessities of life. It is what I call, a drawing of the line in the proverbial sand. Those great tribulation saints who belong to Christ, will reject the mark and be willing to die keeping their testimony of Jesus and the word of God. But those wicked who love their lives more than God, will gladly receive that mark in order to save their lives here.

Just remember this, regardless of your interpretation, anything that is put on your hand or forehead which will allow you to electronically buy and sell will be the mark. Just keep watching the technology for it.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I am familiar with this theory and mode of thinking, but I simply find it to be lacking. It's all based on the assumption that technology as we know it will exist at the end of times. Furthermore even if we make the bold assumption that technology as we know it exists at the beginning, well when the seals start cracking, our current technology being as sensitive as it is, will not be able to withstand the severity of the cataclysms which follow.

I think to myself it has to be pretty easy for technology to be wiped out in the blink of an eye even in this present age by merely a handful EMPs. How much moreso then is it easy for tech to cease is stars fall from heaven?

That is all based on supposed EMP's being fired. I don't see that anywhere in scripture. Regarding technology, what do you make of the second trumpet, when it says that a third of the ships are destroyed? That would include technological military ships. There will be technology during the tribulation. That's the only way that the mark will work.

 

[gaviriachristian]

And if I might ask, what are you using to make your daily purchases, if not paper money?

According to your interpretation, the apostles and the first century church are all guilty of the taking the mark of the beast:

"On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made."

I just hope that for the sake of your interpetation, that later you won't be standing in line to get your electronic device (mark) in order to make purchases. Because if you do, you will be doing verbatum of what scripture says not to do. People will be receiving this mark to save their lives, i.e. to continue buying food, to pay their debts and to acquire all the other necessities of life. It is what I call, a drawing of the line in the proverbial sand. Those great tribulation saints who belong to Christ, will reject the mark and be willing to die keeping their testimony of Jesus and the word of God. But those wicked who love their lives more than God, will gladly receive that mark in order to save their lives here.

Just remember this, regardless of your interpretation, anything that is put on your hand or forehead which will allow you to electronically buy and sell will be the mark. Just keep watching the technology for it.

Because they used gold and silver, which does not break the command of the Torah like paper money and fiat currency does You have no understanding regarding money, which is why you asked that. There won't be microchipping, it's a delusion based on a false interpretation of prophecy of yours. You already have the mark of the beast and refuse to understand. So be it.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I am familiar with this theory and mode of thinking, but I simply find it to be lacking. It's all based on the assumption that technology as we know it will exist at the end of times. Furthermore even if we make the bold assumption that technology as we know it exists at the beginning, well when the seals start cracking, our current technology being as sensitive as it is, will not be able to withstand the severity of the cataclysms which follow.

I think to myself it has to be pretty easy for technology to be wiped out in the blink of an eye even in this present age by merely a handful EMPs. How much moreso then is it easy for tech to cease is stars fall from heaven?

As far as the "stars falling from heaven," you have to once again think from a 2000 year old time frame. Everything in the sky except for the sun and the moon was considered a star, which would include asteroids, meteorites, comets, etc. There were no scientific classifications for bodies in the cosmos. Therefore, the mention of the stars falling from heaven to the earth, is most likely speaking about meteorites hitting the earths atmosphere. We can deduce this by taking into consideration that, a real star like our sun, would destroy the earth even before it got to it. Even if our own moon, which is not a star, were to hit the earth it would destroy us. We always have to put ourselves in John's time frame when reading certain events.

 

[A-Fool-For-God]

That is all based on supposed EMP's being fired. I don't see that anywhere in scripture. Regarding technology, what do you make of the second trumpet, when it says that a third of the ships are destroyed? That would include technological military ships. There will be technology during the tribulation. That's the only way that the mark will work.

Well I am not saying EMPs are in scripture lol, merely using that example to highlight the fragility of today's current technology. If a few paltry EMPs could send us back to the dark ages; how much moreso the wrath of God?

I think in regards to the second trumpet, as with all the cataclysms that they are quite literal, that they will actually happen in the way described. I see no reason to doubt a burning mountain falling into the oceans and smiting the waters.

I think also the mark of the beast can work without technology. A mark identifies someone, having tattoo on your face is pretty noticeable lol.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Because they used gold and silver, which does not break the command of the Torah like paper money and fiat currency does You have no understanding regarding money, which is why you asked that. There won't be microchipping, it's a delusion based on a false interpretation of prophecy of yours. You already have the mark of the beast and refuse to understand. So be it.

What does the Torah have do with the rest of the people of the earth who are Gentiles. They would not be abiding by the Torah. And yet, the scripture states that he will cause all, both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave to receive the mark. That means all people, not just Israel.

Sir, there already is microchipping. Therefore your claim is moot. It's already happening. Did you even watch the video? If you would do some checking you find that this is already in process. The technology is already here.

I have plenty of understanding, as I have been studying end-time events for 45 years and have been watching its evolution. I knew before people began to be implanted that it was going to take place. I just kept watching and sure enough, it happened and is continuing to evolve.

How can something that is currently happening be a delusion?

I understand what you believe, but just keep watching, because this is going to be more and more obvious.