Passover/Unleavened Countdown . . .For Those Who Celebrate Them

[just-me]

Royalscot

I didn't miss the relationship or the metaphor. It can be noted as an allegory also in some cases.

Galatians 4:21-24 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Where is there the restriction to the believer in Exodus chapter 12? Are you saying that the restriction is for those that are not the descendants of Abraham. According to the Bible, all believers are "metaphorically" his descendants. Exodus 12 is a breath of fresh air to me, ......................metaphorically speaking.

Romans 4:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

2 Corinthians 11:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.

Galatians 3:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

 

[royalscot]

Royalscot

I didn't miss the relationship or the metaphor. It can be noted as an allegory also in some cases.

Galatians 4:21-24 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Where is there the restriction to the believer in Exodus chapter 12? Are you saying that the restriction is for those that are not the descendants of Abraham. According to the Bible, all believers are "metaphorically" his descendants. Exodus 12 is a breath of fresh air to me, ......................metaphorically speaking.

Romans 4:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

2 Corinthians 11:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.

Galatians 3:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Abraham was also told , his a ancestors with be held in slavery.

tell me what the difference between a jew and a gentile is.

it is also written, I don't put aside grace, because if the law could save, Christ died for nothing.

again having total disregard to why the council met. in acts 15. has that anything to do with faith that Abraham had, or how the faith of the people of that day , who believe in jesus Christ.

all nations are blessed the jewish nation , and the rest of the gentile world. throught jesus Christ.

 

[john832]

Abraham was also told , his a ancestors with be held in slavery.

tell me what the difference between a jew and a gentile is.

it is also written, I don't put aside grace, because if the law could save, Christ died for nothing.

again having total disregard to why the council met. in acts 15. has that anything to do with faith that Abraham had, or how the faith of the people of that day , who believe in jesus Christ.

all nations are blessed the jewish nation , and the rest of the gentile world. throught jesus Christ.

Acts 15? What really was the decision of Acts 15 all about?

Act 15:1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."
Act 15:2 Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.

The discussion was not about the Ten Commandments or even the statutes and judgments, it was about whether a person had to be circumcised to be a Christian.

 

[royalscot]

So do you think what John said is not relevant to the Gentile?

Romans 10:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

O ya, I forgot, when Paul was in Rome He was talking to the Jew also. I'l quote some more scripture.
Let's see... Oh Ya, Jesus was a Jew too. That rhymes. LOL

1 Corinthians 1:22-24 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Galatians 3:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

I'll repeat some of the old Testament

Exodus 12:49 (KJV)
[SUP]49 [/SUP]One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Jesus taught the old Testament ya know.

Hebrews 9:15-18 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

John 1:36 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

The sacrifice of Christ is law.

up until cornelious, even peter and the friends that came with him, never knew the holy spirit would be given to gentile.
paul also spoke at the meeting in act 15. he used allegory or metaphor, or parbable. he also wrote, I don't put aside the grace of god, if law can save, Christ died for nothing. penticost is the start of new covenant. so up to penticost, the old covenant. could not have been for filled yet. since acts 15 happened before I corth , galations . these words were not yet in print or have been spoken . so acts 15 paul aready knew what happened there, because he spoke at that meeting. again mixed time proves my point.

 

[royalscot]

Acts 15? What really was the decision of Acts 15 all about?

Act 15:1 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."
Act 15:2 Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.

The discussion was not about the Ten Commandments or even the statutes and judgments, it was about whether a person had to be circumcised to be a Christian.

then you prove my point, to why there is a restriction, in exdus 12. to why a gentile cant take part in Passover celebration, because he needs circumcised.

 

[john832]

then you prove my point, to why there is a restriction, in exdus 12. to why a gentile cant take part in Passover celebration, because he needs circumcised.

I guess there is no such restriction on weeping for Tammuz or rolling Ishtar eggs huh?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Guess that's how you celebrate Easter eh? Just asking. No offense.

No offense taken.

I call it "Resurrection Day" but yes I boil eggs and let the grandkids hunt them. We dye and hunt eggs - thinking it is a day of evil? Nope . . . just a day of fun - it's all in the attitude of heart. Their hearts are innocent and they love it.

 

[just-me]

Abraham was also told , his a ancestors with be held in slavery.

tell me what the difference between a jew and a gentile is.

it is also written, I don't put aside grace, because if the law could save, Christ died for nothing.

again having total disregard to why the council met. in acts 15. has that anything to do with faith that Abraham had, or how the faith of the people of that day , who believe in jesus Christ.

all nations are blessed the jewish nation , and the rest of the gentile world. throught jesus Christ.

Before we were salvaged/saved, the Bible clearly says we were slaves, and in bondage to sin. I don't see a difference between that relationship.

Romans 6:16-18 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Exodus 20:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And God spake all these words, saying,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Steven was stoned for saying things, and this was one of them.
Acts 7:6-7 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.

Romans 8:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

 

[just-me]

then you prove my point, to why there is a restriction, in exdus 12. to why a gentile cant take part in Passover celebration, because he needs circumcised.

True believers live by this law comparing spiritual things of the law with spiritual things through faith. Deuteronomy is also part of the law God gave to Moses.

Deuteronomy 10:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Deuteronomy 30:5-6 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Again, you prove the point Paul makes. What part of this truth can't you get? You are concentrating on the carnal physical things rather than the spiritual meaning of all things via the truth.

Romans 8:5-7 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

 

[just-me]

Royalscot. If you believe in Christ Jesus as the Passover Lamb of your salvation, you are circumcised according to the law God gave to Moses.

Colossians 2:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

This is spiritual understanding, not carnal thinking.

 

[chubbena]

No offense taken.

I call it "Resurrection Day" but yes I boil eggs and let the grandkids hunt them. We dye and hunt eggs - thinking it is a day of evil? Nope . . . just a day of fun - it's all in the attitude of heart. Their hearts are innocent and they love it.

I've been there calling it Resurrection Day instead of Easter once I found out the origin of the name Easter. And yes I enjoyed those chocolate eggs which only came by once a year until I found out what they represented. Then I wondered why His resurrection wasn't celebrated in the "Jewish" Passover and Unleavened bread which seemed more appropriate. It was quite a journey for me. I hope someday you would agree with me

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I've been there calling it Resurrection Day instead of Easter once I found out the origin of the name Easter. And yes I enjoyed those chocolate eggs which only came by once a year until I found out what they represented. Then I wondered why His resurrection wasn't celebrated in the "Jewish" Passover and Unleavened bread which seemed more appropriate. It was quite a journey for me. I hope someday you would agree with me

Don't think I'll ever change my mind about the way I celebrate. As I said - it is a day of fun for us. We realize what it truly means - our heart attitude is not evil.

I guess if we look hard enough we can see evil in anything.

 

[psalm6819]

The Passover is symbolic of Jesus. He is our Passover Lamb. All the feasts are about Jesus. They are not Jewish feasts, they are the LORD'S appointed times. We'll being celebrating them for eternity with HIM.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I've been there calling it Resurrection Day instead of Easter once I found out the origin of the name Easter. And yes I enjoyed those chocolate eggs which only came by once a year until I found out what they represented. Then I wondered why His resurrection wasn't celebrated in the "Jewish" Passover and Unleavened bread which seemed more appropriate. It was quite a journey for me. I hope someday you would agree with me

Why would you wonder about why His resurrection wasn't celebrated during Passover? He was crucified during Passover so of course his resurrection wouldn't have been celebrated.

 

[just-me]

Don't think I'll ever change my mind about the way I celebrate. As I said - it is a day of fun for us. We realize what it truly means - our heart attitude is not evil.

I guess if we look hard enough we can see evil in anything.

I understand, just like Christmas is a family time for us. The heartburn comes because Easter/Ishtar/Ashtaroth are all the same. If you have a concordance look them up and read all the scriptures pertaining to this fertility goddess. Easter is mentioned in Acts when it should be Passover, and Ishtar is not in the KJV. Rabbits and chickens are very prolific, and that's where the ritual started pertaining to fertility. Personally, I believe Easter and the way it is celebrated is far beyond Christmas. Let the Holy Spirit confirm to you what God thinks, and desires of us as you read about Ashtaroth. God bless you and your family.

6252 `Ashtarowth ash-taw-roth' or bAshtaroth {ash-taw-roth'}; plural of 6251; Ashtaroth, the name of a Sidonian deity, and of a place East of the Jordan:--Asharoth, Astaroth. See also 1045, 6253, 6255.

6253 `Ashtoreth ash-to'reth probably for 6251; Ashtoreth, the Phoenician goddess of love (and increase):--Ashtoreth.

6255 `Ashtroth Qarnayim ash-ter-oth' kar-nah'-yim from 6252 and the dual of 7161; Ashtaroth of (the) double horns (a symbol of the deity); Ashteroth-Karnaim, a place East of the Jordan:--Ashtoreth Karnaim.

 

[chubbena]

Don't think I'll ever change my mind about the way I celebrate. As I said - it is a day of fun for us. We realize what it truly means - our heart attitude is not evil.

I guess if we look hard enough we can see evil in anything.

That's for sure and I guess the reason to purge the leaven from our body. Until then.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I understand, just like Christmas is a family time for us. The heartburn comes because Easter/Ishtar/Ashtaroth are all the same. If you have a concordance look them up and read all the scriptures pertaining to this fertility goddess. Easter is mentioned in Acts when it should be Passover, and Ishtar is not in the KJV. Rabbits and chickens are very prolific, and that's where the ritual started pertaining to fertility. Personally, I believe Easter and the way it is celebrated is far beyond Christmas. Let the Holy Spirit confirm to you what God thinks, and desires of us as you read about Ashtaroth. God bless you and your family.

6252 `Ashtarowth ash-taw-roth' or bAshtaroth {ash-taw-roth'}; plural of 6251; Ashtaroth, the name of a Sidonian deity, and of a place East of the Jordan:--Asharoth, Astaroth. See also 1045, 6253, 6255.

6253 `Ashtoreth ash-to'reth probably for 6251; Ashtoreth, the Phoenician goddess of love (and increase):--Ashtoreth.

6255 `Ashtroth Qarnayim ash-ter-oth' kar-nah'-yim from 6252 and the dual of 7161; Ashtaroth of (the) double horns (a symbol of the deity); Ashteroth-Karnaim, a place East of the Jordan:--Ashtoreth Karnaim.

When I wake up Resurrection Sunday, my mind is not on Ashtroth and when we are dying eggs, when we are hiding eggs, when we are hunting eggs - our minds are not on Ashtroth - we are not worshipping Ashtroth. - that is why I said it is a heart attitude toward anything we do and my heart is not toward Ashtroth - My Father knows that . . . . .

 

[KohenMatt]

I realize that most people who celebrate Easter have the best intentions at heart, and I respect that.

I still have a hard time with the thought, though, that Christianity wouldn't be celebrating Jesus resurrection on Easter if it weren't for pagans celebrating their own day, and some questionable "believers" compromising.

 

[MsLimpet]

I realize that most people who celebrate Easter have the best intentions at heart, and I respect that.

I still have a hard time with the thought, though, that Christianity wouldn't be celebrating Jesus resurrection on Easter if it weren't for pagans celebrating their own day, and some questionable "believers" compromising.

Just do what the Bible says....there is no question there!

 

[KohenMatt]

Just do what the Bible says....there is no question there!

And, don't do what the Bible says to not do.