Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

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shittim

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I am sorry but I am one of those strange people who happens to believe that ALL scripture is given by God for.......so I don't deselect parts that I don't want to know about.
Please don't be sorry, you have chosen to grow in His ways, He is outrageously pleased to find a people who will do so.
 

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Isn't it curious how it's only Pentecostals and Charismatics who put on a big show so they'll be noticed, like the Pharisees.


"I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead."—Revelation 3:1
You pursuit of watching those who put on big shows may be why you have chosen to be ignorant of the Lords people and ways.
 

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Precious friend, how did I "overlook the cause"?:

So, God would not allow Paul to "become proud and conceited"
because of "such great miraculous revelations"?

Not too sure about asking unanswerable hypothetical questions about
"What God Has Said Is So In His Word Of Truth."

Thanks for trying anyway...

GRACE And Peace...
Oh don't quote half scriptures at me.

"and to keep me from being too elated by the abundance of revelations a thorn was given me in the flesh"

You were implying that grace was given to Paul in his later years rather than the miraculous but here we see actually more grace was given to him because of the abundance of the miraculous.
 

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This may not be the greatest example, but it's not far off.

Acts represents the first love between Christ and his bride. Like a human love affair, it starts off with a bang; it's all fireworks. But if the relationship stands a chance of surviving long term, it has to mature and mellow. This is exactly what we see in the New Testament and it's what is explained by Paul: "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things."—1 Corinthians 13:11

Pentecostals/Charismatics are caught in a perpetual state of immaturity; though, admittedly, some more so than others.
 

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"I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied;"—1 Corinthians 14:5

The fact that he wishes they all spoke in tongues just underlines the fact that they all didn't.

Wishing something and it being a fact are two different things. I wish everyone would have faith in the Lord and be saved, that doesn't make it a reality, or that it ever will be a reality.
but it was available to them ... it is available to believers today but not all folks care for it. I don't think there are any scriptures where christians spoke evil of tongues.
 

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This may not be the greatest example, but it's not far off.

Acts represents the first love between Christ and his bride. Like a human love affair, it starts off with a bang; it's all fireworks. But if the relationship stands a chance of surviving long term, it has to mature and mellow. This is exactly what we see in the New Testament and it's what is explained by Paul: "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things."—1 Corinthians 13:11

Pentecostals/Charismatics are caught in a perpetual state of immaturity; though, admittedly, some more so than others.
I don't believe Paul as apostle ever spake as a child or understood as a child. He did speak in tongues more than any and he did [in this same letter] desire that we did too.
 

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I don't believe Paul as apostle ever spake as a child or understood as a child. He did speak in tongues more than any and he did [in this same letter] desire that we did too.
I' believe you sincerely believe everything you say. You've been at it for what, 45 years I believe you said? I wouldn't hold high hopes for anyone changing after that long.
 

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I' believe you sincerely believe everything you say. You've been at it for what, 45 years I believe you said? I wouldn't hold high hopes for anyone changing after that long.
45 joyful years of success, triumphing over aversity, ever sweeter fellowship with the Lord.

Why would I change ? ....
 

shittim

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45 joyful years of success, triumphing over aversity, ever sweeter fellowship with the Lord.

Why would I change ? ....
If you did it would be losing your way, backsliding, everything in the Lord is now and going forward, He doesn't back up.
Staying stuck and refusing to grow is not of Him either.
 

shittim

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This may not be the greatest example, but it's not far off.

Acts represents the first love between Christ and his bride. Like a human love affair, it starts off with a bang; it's all fireworks. But if the relationship stands a chance of surviving long term, it has to mature and mellow. This is exactly what we see in the New Testament and it's what is explained by Paul: "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things."—1 Corinthians 13:11

Pentecostals/Charismatics are caught in a perpetual state of immaturity; though, admittedly, some more so than others.
That reminded me of this-
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It is the same "gift", one "gift", the "gift" of Holy Spirit coming to stay in each person.
He will grow each of us as much as we will grow.
Every manifestation of the Spirit Jesus demonstrated is available to every believer.
Brother, I agree that we as believers all have the indwelling Spirit... but I believe that not all of us have every gift of the Spirit available to us... I understand scripture to clearly say that we are each given a gift that is specific to us, and to the role we fill in the body of Christ.
Our physical bodies need most of the parts given to us to function properly, just as the body of Christ (the church) needs all the different parts to function properly. Paul states this very clearly in 1 Cor 12. It cannot be stated any more clearly than this...

7 A spiritual gift is given to each of us so we can help each other. 8 To one person the Spirit gives the ability to give wise advice[b]; to another the same Spirit gives a message of special knowledge.[c] 9 The same Spirit gives great faith to another, and to someone else the one Spirit gives the gift of healing. 10 He gives one person the power to perform miracles, and another the ability to prophesy. He gives someone else the ability to discern whether a message is from the Spirit of God or from another spirit. Still another person is given the ability to speak in unknown languages,[d] while another is given the ability to interpret what is being said. 11 It is the one and only Spirit who distributes all these gifts. He alone decides which gift each person should have.

14 Yes, the body has many different parts, not just one part. 15 If the foot says, “I am not a part of the body because I am not a hand,” that does not make it any less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear says, “I am not part of the body because I am not an eye,” would that make it any less a part of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, how would you hear? Or if your whole body were an ear, how would you smell anything?
18 But our bodies have many parts, and God has put each part just where he wants it. 19 How strange a body would be if it had only one part! 20 Yes, there are many parts, but only one body. 21 The eye can never say to the hand, “I don’t need you.” The head can’t say to the feet, “I don’t need you.”
 
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Isn't it curious how it's only Pentecostals and Charismatics who put on a big show so they'll be noticed, like the Pharisees.


"I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead."—Revelation 3:1
Your lying mouth never stops, despite the love and truth by God's Grace poured out to you.

Now you have nothing left but to be rebuked.
 

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Your lying mouth never stops, despite the love and truth by God's Grace poured out to you.
Isn't it true that Pentecostals/Charismatics put on a big outward show, like the Pharisees? I don't see how you can deny it.
 

shittim

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It's the same gift and gifting, just different manifestations, if a person needs a manifestation of this same gift of Holy Spirit we should answer the call to do so, just as Jesus did, He was the model for how we are each to live.
"I saw Satan fall from heaven" revelatory gift.
"Be healed" manifestation of healing.
"i only say what I hear the Father say"
"I only do what I see the Father do"
"Lazarus, come forth". imparting life.
Jesus Himself said His own would do greater works than He, and I and many here are seeing that being fulfilled whereas most will have an outward form of Godliness denying the power that His Own are walking in.
When we are created, what we believe is of lesser importance that His truth that we are to seek and grow in.
We achieve this in personal, vital, relationship rather than leaning on our own understanding, which we are warned to not do.
blessings
 

shittim

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Isn't it true that Pentecostals/Charismatics put on a big outward show, like the Pharisees? I don't see how you can deny it.
The devils fakers do that, His Own don't do that. The devil does so to trick the easily duped and swayed, and when he is successful, they come here to post as you do.
 
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Isn't it true that Pentecostals/Charismatics put on a big outward show, like the Pharisees? I don't see how you can deny it.
Have i not AGREED with you from the very beginning not to listen to those who make merchandise of God's word.........
Have i not called them "TV propheteers" and dislike them like yourself.............

A.) You falsely accuse me of "putting on a show' yet i have never been on TV nor the Radio
B.) You have never seen me nor have i ever "put on a show" at a gathering whether indoors or outside
C.) Now i pray to my LORD Jesus Christ that just as David danced in public before the Mercy Seat, that the same who filled David's heart with such great JOY in the Holy Spirit may fill me to overflowing so that i may cast off all inhibition and fear of man, and BOLDLY proclaim the Gospel in the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT even the more so then i already have, - amen

You would do well for yourself to pray likewise = just as the Faithful & True Witnesses did in Acts.
 

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Have i not AGREED with you from the very beginning not to listen to those who make merchandise of God's word.........
Have i not called them "TV propheteers" and dislike them like yourself.............

A.) You falsely accuse me of "putting on a show' yet i have never been on TV nor the Radio
B.) You have never seen me nor have i ever "put on a show" at a gathering whether indoors or outside
C.) Now i pray to my LORD Jesus Christ that just as David danced in public before the Mercy Seat, that the same who filled David's heart with such great JOY in the Holy Spirit may fill me to overflowing so that i may cast off all inhibition and fear of man, and BOLDLY proclaim the Gospel in the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT even the more so then i already have, - amen

You would do well for yourself to pray likewise = just as the Faithful & True Witnesses did in Acts.
I never said anything about you specifically but if you want me to I will: You're living in fantasy land, that's what I think.
 

shittim

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I never said anything about you specifically but if you want me to I will: You're living in fantasy land, that's what I think.
He said, leaning on his own understanding, as we are clearly commanded to NOT do......
 

shittim

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I never said anything about you specifically but if you want me to I will: You're living in fantasy land, that's what I think.
"That's what I think" when we are clearly guided to take everything to Him first.
blessings