Perfection, Some SayThat You Cant Be

[AnandaHya]

He only destroys the sin in man when man puts on the Christ. The day you let Him return and make His abode in you is your day of redemption, deliverence from sin. Christ returning to His rightful throne. Christ in you.

see Cronjecj? like clockwork.

GaryMac, Christ is in me. He reigns in Heaven and on Earth and I thank Him for His presence and His light to show me those who would lead His flock astray.

Jesus Spirit Lives within me, but I still wait and hope to see and know Him as He knows me: Face to Face.

Jesus is NOT just Spirit. He ATE Fish after resurrection and before ascension.

the Apostles could TOUCH His wounds for they thought as you do that He was just a ghost or just a Spirit and He revealed that He was something greater. that the resurrection promised with Glorified bodies is MORE then just the HOLY SPIRIT dwelling within us.

The Holy Spirit is a promise a seal so we do not despair in this lost world. He is our comforter, or advocate, or teacher our intercessor, who prays for us when we do not have the words to pray for ourselves.

If you read the Bible like you read my posts then I can see why you have such trouble understanding what anyone tries to say to you.

Luke 24

36 Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” 37 But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. 38 And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
40 When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.[f] 41 But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, “Have you any food here?” 42 So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb.[g] 43 And He took it and ate in their presence.

Jesus is MORE then a life giving spirit. it is you who confine God when you deny His Truth as revealed by His written word and when you declare anyone who does not kowtow to you as not knowing what having the indwelling Holy Spirit really means.

 

[AnandaHya]

I never said that beloved. I said that the God I worship will save to the uttermost and He is FULLY ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS... WITHOUT HUMAN HANDS! If it takes hell for one to come to Him, then he is fitted to destruction for the glory of God as well.

my apologizes I must have read someone else's interpetation of your words.

so you think hell is not eternal but more like purgatory?

 

[cronjecj]

Amen. I post a post yesterday and a lot of people read it but no one responded. I guess they didnt know how to respond to it. Here is what I posted.

When one doubts a thing to be true the harder it is to believe

To doubt the perfections of Christ in you, it becomes harder to believe.

To doubt that Christ can take away ones sin the harder it is to believe.

To doubt that one can have the same mind of Christ or that you can walk as He, or have the same Spirit in you, the harder it is to believe that what God sent Jesus for to give you.

The blind man didn’t see what was standing in front of him but had faith in that what he could not see. The result from his faith was … He saw.

If the blind man doubted that what he couldn’t see would his eyes ever been opened?
Gary

They don't want to respond because they already know where you come from.

 

[Israel]

Amen. I post a post yesterday and a lot of people read it but no one responded. I guess they didnt know how to respond to it. Here is what I posted.

When one doubts a thing to be true the harder it is to believe

To doubt the perfections of Christ in you, it becomes harder to believe.

To doubt that Christ can take away ones sin the harder it is to believe.

To doubt that one can have the same mind of Christ or that you can walk as He, or have the same Spirit in you, the harder it is to believe that what God sent Jesus for to give you.

The blind man didn’t see what was standing in front of him but had faith in that what he could not see. The result from his faith was … He saw.

If the blind man doubted that what he couldn’t see would his eyes ever been opened?
Gary

The problem is our understanding of what sin is. We can point out what is perceived as an "obvious" sin by the fleshly eye. Sin is also disguised as light!

It is defined as transgression of the law. BUT the bible makes it clearer by its true definition. ALL that is NOT of faith is sin! Once grounded in the foundation of love, EVERYTHING done in faith is not a sin. Eating pork in faith; not a sin. Eat it with doubt; being deceived such a one convicts himself of sin.

 

[AnandaHya]

They don't want to respond because they already know where you come from.

and it sounds too much like word of Faith movement where they claim not only to be little gods but have the power of creation with their words if only they have "faith" and no "doubt" in what they speak.

didn't see the point in responding, it would be a debate for how can you reason with someone who never actually reads what you type?

anyway gotta make dinner, catch you later on another thread cj.

PS. that steak looked really good.

 

[cronjecj]

I never said that beloved. I said that the God I worship will save to the uttermost and He is FULLY ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS... WITHOUT HUMAN HANDS! If it takes hell for one to come to Him, then he is fitted to destruction for the glory of God as well.

Hebrews 9:27
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment.

 

[cronjecj]

The problem is our understanding of what sin is. We can point out what is perceived as an "obvious" sin by the fleshly eye. Sin is also disguised as light!

It is defined as transgression of the law. BUT the bible makes it clearer by its true definition. ALL that is NOT of faith is sin! Once grounded in the foundation of love, EVERYTHING done in faith is not a sin. Eating pork in faith; not a sin. Eat it with doubt; being deceived such a one convicts himself of sin.

sri but that didn't make much sense.

That was OLD covenant laws that Moses wrote, we are now in the NEW covenant through Jesus Christ our redeemer.

i can eat as much pork as i like for the things you eat does not make you unclean but the words that comes out of your mouth does.

 

[cronjecj]

and it sounds too much like word of Faith movement where they claim not only to be little gods but have the power of creation with their words if only they have "faith" and no "doubt" in what they speak.

didn't see the point in responding, it would be a debate for how can you reason with someone who never actually reads what you type?

anyway gotta make dinner, catch you later on another thread cj.

PS. that steak looked really good.

Yes thanks, a steak from South Africa

Catch later alligator.........

 

[Israel]

my apologizes I must have read someone else's interpetation of your words.

so you think hell is not eternal but more like purgatory?

Depends on how you define torment.


Proverbs 25:

21If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:

22For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.


The bible says that those "unsaved" people are tormented IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB AND GOD.

Beloved, a Lamb doesn't torment anyone. His mere presence in love torments His enemies. Who are His enemies?

Matthew 8:28-32

28And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

30And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.

31So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

32And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.



Jesus is a quickening Spirit that draws all to Himself.

He seperates the wheat (spirits of all men) from the tares (evil spirits).

 

[AnandaHya]

so Israel, you are saying that if they get cast into hell they were not men to begin with but evil spirits?

you could get some dangerous theology based on that belief.

Matthew 8:11-12
New King James Version (NKJV)
11 And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Matthew 13:41-43
New King James Version (NKJV)
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Luke 13

22 And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”
And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out.


when Judgment day comes God will close the door and it will be too late for repentance.

 

[cronjecj]

Depends on how you define torment.


Proverbs 25:

21If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:

22For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.


The bible says that those "unsaved" people are tormented IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB AND GOD.

Beloved, a Lamb doesn't torment anyone. His mere presence in love torments His enemies. Who are His enemies?

Matthew 8:28-32

28And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

29And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

30And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.

31So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

32And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.



Jesus is a quickening Spirit that draws all to Himself.

He seperates the wheat (spirits of all men) from the tares (evil spirits).

He separates the wheat (believers in Christ) from the tares (unbelievers)

Jesus will destroy the wicked and unclean spirits which are part of the fallen angels (demons) including Satan with fire.

 

[Israel]

He separates the wheat (believers in Christ) from the tares (unbelievers)

Jesus will destroy the wicked and unclean spirits which are part of the fallen angels (demons) including Satan with fire.

Do you believe that God made a person with intent of destroying him forever (ex. pharaoh)?

 

[AnandaHya]

Do you believe that God made a person with intent of destroying him forever (ex. pharaoh)?

it does not matter what we want to believe, it matters what GOD tells us.

Romans 9:21-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,

it is a hard saying.

 

[Israel]

so Israel, you are saying that if they get cast into hell they were not men to begin with but evil spirits?

you could get some dangerous theology based on that belief.

Matthew 8:11-12
New King James Version (NKJV)
11 And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Matthew 13:41-43
New King James Version (NKJV)
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Luke 13

22 And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”
And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out.


when Judgment day comes God will close the door and it will be too late for repentance.

In Revelation, John was told to measure the temple and those who worship within. The outer court he was to leave alone TO BE TRAMPLED BY THE GENTILES.

The temple here is heaven, the outer court is those in the world. They are sons of the kingdom as well but are in gross darkness. Satan deceives the whole world!

 

[Israel]

it does not matter what we want to believe, it matters what GOD tells us.

Romans 9:21-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,

it is a hard saying.

Do you know WHY He made pharaoh so?

If you know the answer, then is that for the ultimate good?

 

[AnandaHya]

In Revelation, John was told to measure the temple and those who worship within. The outer court he was to leave alone TO BE TRAMPLED BY THE GENTILES.

The temple here is heaven, the outer court is those in the world. They are sons of the kingdom as well but are in gross darkness. Satan deceives the whole world!

?? what does that have to do with these verses?

Matthew 13:41-43
New King James Version (NKJV)
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

nice herring, would you like some white sauce with it?

in addition Revelations 11 is not talking about a city in HEAVEN but on Earth. else these verses would make NO Sense...

11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And they[e] heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.

 

[Israel]

?? what does that have to do with these verses?

Matthew 13:41-43
New King James Version (NKJV)
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

nice herring, would you like some white sauce with it?

in addition Revelations 11 is not talking about a city in HEAVEN but on Earth. else these verses would make NO Sense...

11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And they[e] heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.

If you cannot understand simple concepts such as, pharaoh being saved, how can you begin to understand the meat of scripture? Of whom do you believe the two witnesses actually are?

 

[GaryMac]

im sori but did i hear that the Throne of God is in us? i don't think so. His Throne is in HEAVEN.

Stop with the Christ in you. Jesus is in HEAVEN and He has sent the COMFORTER that dwells in us.

i pray that no one will listen to you.

AnandaHya was right they spread like cancer.

Stop with the Christ in you the hope of glory? Why on earth would I follow you instead of Him? Do you not know that the kingdom of God is within you and He was in Jesus the same?

Rev 3:22 I sit with Him in His throne.

You pray that no one will listen to Christ in you is direct denying that He can be in you. Satanic in every form of the word and you don’t even realize what you are doing.

And the cancer is -- that you cant be one with Him and Christ in you and it goads the flesh god that you serve and a cancer that has consumed your spirit man.

 

[AnandaHya]

If you cannot understand simple concepts such as, pharaoh being saved, how can you begin to understand the meat of scripture? Of whom do you believe the two witnesses actually are?

you can't understand simple verses concerning Esau, makes me wonder why I try and converse with you to begin with.

you don't look at the scriptures I have given you. You don't admit that you are not looking at the whole picture and your words directly contradict GOD's Words.

who should I believe YOU or GOD?

Romans 9:13
As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

you can continue in your self deception. it is your choice.

Luke 16

19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell[d] from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”

alright people can read the Bible for themselves and the Holy Spirit will keep those that are His.

 

[Israel]

Hebrews 9:27
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment.

How are we to be of the same mind judgement if we do not know what that judgement is?

The judgement is NOW.