Perfection, Some SayThat You Cant Be

[MissCris]

How are we to be of the same mind judgement if we do not know what that judgement is?

The judgement is NOW.

......what?

 

[Israel]

you can't understand simple verses concerning Esau, makes me wonder why I try and converse with you to begin with.

you don't look at the scriptures I have given you. You don't admit that you are not looking at the whole picture and your words directly contradict GOD's Words.

who should I believe YOU or GOD?

Romans 9:13
As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

you can continue in your self deception. it is your choice.

Luke 16

19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell[d] from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”

alright people can read the Bible for themselves and the Holy Spirit will keep those that are His.

You quote the verses beloved, but again you only judge according to a veil you cannot see past. lazurus was also a sinner. Nothing he did earned him grace. The rich man doesn't have a name for a reason!

Now by your logic, How can God hate Esau and not have respect of persons? He hated what Esau represented! The bible says that the carnal mind is ENMITY towards God. That's what he represented. But the truth is that we all went the way of Esau who sold his birthright for a meal. We all have sold our birthright (inheritance in God) for a meal (knowledge of good and evil to make one wise). And again, the bible says THAT GOD HAS CONCLUDED ALL IN UNBELIEF THAT HE MAY HAVE MERCY ON ALL!

 

[Israel]

......what?

In saying that if we tell the truth to one another, we will be united.



John 12:31-32

31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

The prince of this world is cast out. All men are drawn to Him! ALL OF US!

What happens to us who are drawn to Him?


John 6:37

37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

 

[AnandaHya]

......what?

its truly pointless to speak to some....

2 Peter 3:13-17
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;

wonder if a person really even understand the meaning of the word LAWLESSNESS.

I do not stand behind a "veil" but God's hedge of protection which Israel and others have strayed far from His light into the world's darkness.

the doctrine of all men will be saved can be found in Vedanta Hinduism and in the new world religion that will usher in the Anti-Christ the main goal is to diminish the importance of Christ work on the Cross and implant the idea of a "divine spark" inside everyone which they will either call the "holy spirit' or "atman" or "chi" depending upon their audience.

this conversation is beginning to remind me of this one:

Matthew 4
5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:


‘ He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,


‘ In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’”

 

[Israel]

its truly pointless to speak to some....

2 Peter 3:13-17
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;

wonder if a person really even understand the meaning of the word LAWLESSNESS.

I do not stand behind a "veil" but God's hedge of protection which Israel and others have strayed far from His light into the world's darkness.

the doctrine of all men will be saved can be found in Vedanta Hinduism and in the new world religion that will usher in the Anti-Christ the main goal is to diminish the importance of Christ work on the Cross and implant the idea of a "divine spark" inside everyone which they will either call the "holy spirit' or "atman" or "chi" depending upon their audience.

this conversation is beginning to remind me of this one:

Matthew 4
5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:


‘ He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,


‘ In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’”

Do you see me burning in the pits of hell fire as much as I see you victorious in God?

Because if you do not make it beloved, may He cut me off as well!

 

[GaryMac]

They don't want to respond because they already know where you come from.

That couold very well be the truth if they have Gods SPrit in them as Jesus did. But then perhaps they dont knwo what it is to have Gods Spirit in them as Jesus did and confounded by the statement of faith in Christ to accomplish in you that which He is able. Probably the latter of the two.

 

[Abiding]

Gary ive formed a new distinctive phrase for you.

"Tantalized gnosticism"........"or".............. as bullwinkle would do it. minimized selfdelusion with a hint of skipping the gospel altogather.

 

[AnandaHya]

That couold very well be the truth if they have Gods SPrit in them as Jesus did. But then perhaps they dont knwo what it is to have Gods Spirit in them as Jesus did and confounded by the statement of faith in Christ to accomplish in you that which He is able. Probably the latter of the two.

yes you would chose to believe the latter, because that thought makes you feel so much superior to others doesn't it? so much more "knowledgable"?

 

[GaryMac]

The problem is our understanding of what sin is. We can point out what is perceived as an "obvious" sin by the fleshly eye. Sin is also disguised as light!

It is defined as transgression of the law. BUT the bible makes it clearer by its true definition. ALL that is NOT of faith is sin! Once grounded in the foundation of love, EVERYTHING done in faith is not a sin. Eating pork in faith; not a sin. Eat it with doubt; being deceived such a one convicts himself of sin.

I agree we cant point out what is sin by the outward appearance, flesh. Yes transgression of the law. Jesus was accused of sinner, blasphemer, and of his father the devil. WHY? Because he transgressed the law that said. You cant be son of God, that would make you equal to him and the law crucified him.
Eating pork is of the law and has nothing at all to do with the faith of Christ be in you as He was in Jesus. Pork is of the law, faith is in that what you can’t see when you eat it. It is a matter of perspective of when or when you dont eat it.

 

[AnandaHya]

Do you see me burning in the pits of hell fire as much as I see you victorious in God?

Because if you do not make it beloved, may He cut me off as well!

no I see your words giving people false reassurance that allows them to be dragged into the pits of hell because they do not repent and turn from their wickedness but instead believe the lies your doctrine promotes.

you as a person?

I don't judge people, just their words.

I let God determine the fate of any person for He is able to save whom He wills and I see only in part.

Ezekiel 3:19-21
New King James Version (NKJV)
19 Yet, if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.
20 “Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die; because you did not give him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand. 21 Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man that the righteous should not sin, and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; also you will have delivered your soul.”

I would have no one die in their sin

and that I might be able to come before God with clean hands

for I seek to obey His leading Spirit not bowing to the flattering words of any man or giving false reassurance to those God has condemned unless they repent and seek His forgiveness through prayer and supplication.

 

[GaryMac]

and it sounds too much like word of Faith movement where they claim not only to be little gods but have the power of creation with their words if only they have "faith" and no "doubt" in what they speak.

didn't see the point in responding, it would be a debate for how can you reason with someone who never actually reads what you type?

anyway gotta make dinner, catch you later on another thread cj.

PS. that steak looked really good.

Probably more like the truth and commendation has them mute.

 

[GaryMac]

so Israel, you are saying that if they get cast into hell they were not men to begin with but evil spirits?

you could get some dangerous theology based on that belief.

Matthew 8:11-12
New King James Version (NKJV)
11 And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Matthew 13:41-43
New King James Version (NKJV)
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Luke 13

22 And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”
And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out.


when Judgment day comes God will close the door and it will be too late for repentance.

Today is your day of judgment. You are being judged this day if you are in Christ or not and like Him.

 

[GaryMac]

He separates the wheat (believers in Christ) from the tares (unbelievers)

Jesus will destroy the wicked and unclean spirits which are part of the fallen angels (demons) including Satan with fire.

He did in all who believe and follow His way for them.

 

[AnandaHya]

Probably more like the truth and commendation has them mute.

I am not mute. I find your words and attitude offensive, pompous and unbibilical.

You have no real grasp of what the HOLY Spirit does in the life of a believer but just pretending to know and speak of things you have no knowledge of, that is why you resort to rote repetition that no one who does not agree with you understands what God is even talking about when Jesus spoke of being ONE with the Father and One with His disciples.

Here is a test:

How do you live your life as a disciple of Christ?

can you share with us your testimony for the Glory of God?

 

[GaryMac]

it does not matter what we want to believe, it matters what GOD tells us.

Romans 9:21-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,

it is a hard saying.

And God is telling you to be one with Him, He in you and youin Him as one, Christ in you.

 

[AnandaHya]

Today is your day of judgment. You are being judged this day if you are in Christ or not and like Him.

Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

 

[Abiding]

 

[MissCris]

And God is telling you to be one with Him, He in you and youin Him as one, Christ in you.

Could you give me a detailed explanation of what exactly that even means?

 

[Israel]

You all sound like kids making fun of what is not understood. But wisdom is JUSTIFIED of her children.

 

[AnandaHya]

well while we're here...

wanna listen to some music?

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