Perfection?

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Saint said:
I agree with most of this, except I believe that drawing near to God only minimizes our sins, but we still make mistakes along the way.
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Actually, minimize is the wrong word. Sin dies in His presence. Unholiness dies in His presence. imperfection dies in His presence.

We can only grow in the nature of God by being in His presence.
 
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VW said:
Actually, minimize is the wrong word. Sin dies in His presence. Unholiness dies in His presence. imperfection dies in His presence.

We can only grow in the nature of God by being in His presence.
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Amen!!!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by forerunner

Well I amnot sure about mpaper, but that is what Paul taught in the epistles. If we walk in the Spirit we will not fulfill the lust.
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then what's with Paul, a devout Christian and apostle, who not only taught about walking in the Spirit, but did walk in the Spirit, say that he does evil that he knows is wrong? That is the definition of sin.
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That is a pretty easy answer saint. Paul says that in his flesh he cannot do what he would like, for in his flesh there is no good thing. That is why we need to walk in the Spirit and not in our own flesh so that we can live perfectly.
 
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forerunner said:
That is a pretty easy answer saint. Paul says that in his flesh he cannot do what he would like, for in his flesh there is no good thing. That is why we need to walk in the Spirit and not in our own flesh so that we can live perfectly.
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I was actually referring to when he said that he does the evil he knows is wrong. Just because your flesh does it, that doesn't mean that you do not.
 
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VW said:
Actually, minimize is the wrong word. Sin dies in His presence. Unholiness dies in His presence. imperfection dies in His presence.

We can only grow in the nature of God by being in His presence.
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I agree with this entire post, at least I think. I might be misinterpreting it.
 
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Saint said:
I was actually referring to when he said that he does the evil he knows is wrong. Just because your flesh does it, that doesn't mean that you do not.
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Right that is why Paul stresses the need to always walk in the Spirit.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
 
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wait, so was Paul a Christian?
 
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forerunner said:
Why would you think otherwise?
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I don't, but you said that those who are saved walk in the Spirit and therefore do not sin, but Paul admitted to sinning and struggling with sin constantly. which would make him not saved.
 
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I don't, but you said that those who are saved walk in the Spirit and therefore do not sin, but Paul admitted to sinning and struggling with sin constantly. which would make him not saved.
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No he admitted that in his flesh he could not do what was right. That is why he kept his flesh in subjection, and walked in the Spirit. Which is exactly what we should do.
 
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forerunner said:
I have no problem with that as long as you speak for yourself and do not claim God cannot free anyone from their sin.
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If you are in perfect submission to God, praise God. I do not hold you to perfection.
 
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forerunner said:
Yet Christ does, as the O.P. states.
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Striving for perfection is like driving by watching the lines. Doing so does not help you keep on the road because you are looking in the wrong place to know what the path is. If you keep your eyes on Jesus, it is like driving by looking ahead. Fix your eyes on Jesus and grace will keep you on the right road. Fix your eyes on perfection and you have trouble.
 
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forerunner said:
No he admitted that in his flesh he could not do what was right. That is why he kept his flesh in subjection, and walked in the Spirit. Which is exactly what we should do.
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Actually, he says that he does what he know is evil.
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
Striving for perfection is like driving by watching the lines. Doing so does not help you keep on the road because you are looking in the wrong place to know what the path is. If you keep your eyes on Jesus, it is like driving by looking ahead. Fix your eyes on Jesus and grace will keep you on the right road. Fix your eyes on perfection and you have trouble.
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Well I wouldn't disagree with that. If we stay focused on Jesus, and walk in the spirit we will live sinlessly. Trying to be perfect in and of ourselves is useless, as saint has pointed out per Pauls writings in Romans 7
 
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Actually, he says that he does what he know is evil.
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His flesh does, when he is in the flesh. However he also states that if we walk in the spirit we will not fulfill the lust of the flesh, but that we could indeed fulfill the law.
 
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forerunner said:
His flesh does, when he is in the flesh. However he also states that if we walk in the spirit we will not fulfill the lust of the flesh, but that we could indeed fulfill the law.
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So if our flesh does something, it doesn't count as sin towards us?
 
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