POLL: The Deity of Christ

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The Deity of Christ?

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oldhermit

oldhermit

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SolidGround said:
Half is correct. It is more along the lines of Christ, Logos, and the Holy Spirit being the exact same thing,
with Jesus being the the Body of this entity, Christ and Logos being His title/purpose/position, and the Holy Spirit being His Power/Deity.

Some of this extends into the comparison of the 1st and Last Adam, focusing around the Breath of God, which is the Word we translate as Spirit.
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I see. I am curious as to what scriptures you would offer as a defense of this theology.
 
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senzi

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For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God for God gives the spirit without limit john 3:34
 
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Elin

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secularhermit said:
Let say those parchements were written (hipotetically) this way: "And the word was WITH God... and the word became flesh" and the RCC or several other men manipulated what was in the originals (as I also could be viewed and felt as manipularting what you already believed).
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Sorry, that is worthless speculation. . .
 
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Elin

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jaybird88 said:
wow the guy got banned and he had scripture to back everything he said. i guess those doing the banning are the final authorities on interpretation scripture. i always thought it was the Father and Son.
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This is an orthodox Christian site, believing in the deity of Jesus and in the Trinity.

You are not allowed to deny either on this site.

You must take your conversation elsewhere. . .you are not one of us nor seeking the truth of Scriptural orthodox Christianity.
 
oldhermit

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senzi said:
For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God for God gives the spirit without limit john 3:34
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That is a very difficult passage because of the Greek construction but no matter how one examines this text it in no way implies that the Holy Spirit is not a person.
 
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Elin

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jaybird88 said:
i dont agree but i cant comment further or i will get banned.

i dont think its right someone can start a thread like this that
only one side of the argument are allowed to present their case and anyone on the other side gets banned.
hope i dont get banned for saying that.
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It's not an argument here. . .it is a forever settled matter in heaven. . .no arguing it allowed. . .you've come to the wrong site to converse.
 
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senzi

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oldhermit said:
That is a very difficult passage because of the Greek construction but no matter how one examines this text it in no way implies that the Holy Spirit is not a person.
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Do you not believe the holy spirit fully resides in the perfect body of Christ?
 
oldhermit

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senzi said:
Do you not believe the holy spirit fully resides in the perfect body of Christ?
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Certainly, when Jesus was in the flesh. That does not suggest the H.S. is not a person, especially since the H.S. is repeatedly designated by a personal pronoun in scripture - HE, never 'it'
 
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senzi

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oldhermit said:
Certainly, when Jesus was in the flesh. That does not suggest the H.S. is not a person, especially since the H.S. is repeatedly designated by a personal pronoun in scripture - HE, never 'it'
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Yes, when Christ walked this earth the spirit descended on him in bodily form (luke3:22) but who fully resides in Christ now in your opinion, the father or the Holy spirit?
 
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Elin

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SolidGround said:
I think that it is a valid view to see the Breath(Spirit) of God as not a separate "person" from God.
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Not in orthodox Christianity, nor on this site, where the matter is forever settled in heaven.

The NT presents the Holy Spirit as a separate person (he, him, his) from God the Father and God the Son (Mt 28:19; 3:16; Jn 14:25, 15:26, 16:7-14), with personal titles and personal functions.
 
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flob

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no, not separate.
'Distinct' should be a better word.
The Father, Son, and Spirit are never separate.
The Spirit Is the Spirit of the Son and of the Father,
The Spirit of Jesus Christ
 
oldhermit

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senzi said:
Yes, when Christ walked this earth the spirit descended on him in bodily form (luke3:22) but who fully resides in Christ now in your opinion, the father or the Holy spirit?
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This is dyadically locative reasoning and you cannot apply this type of reasoning to the non-natural world. Since Jesus is part of that non-natural or spiritual world if you will, you cannot think in locative terms. At least not the way we think in such terms as they apply to the natural world. We are not told in scripture that in heaven whether or not either the Father or the H.S resides within Christ.
 
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Elin

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SolidGround said:
The issue is not with the existence or even divinity of the three,
but in the level of separation between them.
God has a single personality, therefore dividing Him into 3 persons is too far separated.
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God does not have a single personality, he has a single essence, substance.

There relationship is closer than is described by calling them three individual "persons".
That denotes them having separate personalities, rather than just separate functions/expressions.
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The NT presents the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as separate persons, with separate titles and separate functions. . . and it is not for us to alter to suit our own fancies.
 
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flob

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The Spirit not only resides within Him, the Spirit Is Him. In the sense of oneness through mingling.
The Lord is the Spirit, 2 Cor 3:17;
The last Adam became........a life giving Spirit.
There is only One Divine Spirit
 
oldhermit

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Elin said:
God does not have a single personality, he has a single essence, substance.


The NT presents the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as separate persons, with separate titles and separate functions. . . and it is not our revelation that we can alter it to suit our fancies.
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Personally I have a great deal of trouble with the term essence as it is usually applied to God in theological circles.
 
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flob

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The NT presents the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as separate persons, with separate titles and separate functions. . . and it is not for us to alter to suit our own fancies.
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If this is true, then in what sense do you not have 3 Gods?







God does not have a single personality, he has a single essence, substance.
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And that is?
 
prove-all

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Elin said:
This is an orthodox Christian site, believing in the deity of Jesus and in the Trinity.

You are not allowed to deny either on this site.

You must take your conversation elsewhere. . .you are not one of us nor seeking the truth of Scriptural orthodox Christianity.
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where is it written only youre orthodox view is the only way,and required to believe the trinity,

I can not find it in this [Christian site] rules, does that mean non believers are not allowed?
 
SolidGround

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Old Hermit, I'll pm you on the subject. It seems that such questionings are not suitable on the open forum, as many find it offensive. I don't want to offend any of my brothers and sisters.
There also seems to be a lot of confusion over terms, which is never good. Definitions are easier to agree upon when only speaking with a small group.
 
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