Pre Trib Rapture Moment 11: What will trigger the rapture?

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please make it short for me all i want to know is the days literal 24 hour periods yes or no thanks

For example 1260 "×" 24 hrs 3 1/2 "×" 24 hrs
There is no short with Revelation. Everything Christ gives we need to take in. Look at it as a leading up. But it was shortened .The notes, document that time, was shortened to a five month period . Satan's time was shorted to five months by Christ, read REVELATION 9.
 
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There is no short with Revelation. Everything Christ gives we need to take in. Look at it as a leading up. But it was shortened .The notes, document that time, was shortened to a five month period . Satan's time was shorted to five months by Christ, read REVELATION 9.
The bible does not say satan is Appolyon

Was the angel of death in eygpt satan also ?
 
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not exactly



like Arnold Murray.
who teaches Satan comes pretending to be Christ.
Mark 13:

21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

II Thess 2 :

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


Revelation 13: 11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.


Revelation 12: Revelation 12:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. -

-12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. ( Five months Rev. 9: Mark 13: 20 ).

II Thessalonians 2:

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

If Arnold Murray is teaching that. God will reward him for a job well done. How are you doing ? Try not to derail this into a rant Zone. I want to focus on these scriptures here.
 
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There is no short with Revelation. Everything Christ gives we need to take in. Look at it as a leading up. But it was shortened .The notes, document that time, was shortened to a five month period . Satan's time was shorted to five months by Christ, read REVELATION 9.
Scriptures: Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 11:2, Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6, Revelation 12:14, Revelation 13:5

This 1260 day time period is referred to 7 times in the Bible's prophecies;
three times as a time, times, and half a time;
twice as 42 months; and
twice as 1,260 days.

Based on the 30-day calendar used by the Jews, these time periods are all the same amount of time: 3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1,260 days.

One prophetic day equals one literal year (Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34).

Thus a terrible persecution of God's people existed for 1,260 prophetic days or 1,260 literal years.
 
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Who will the devil test?
Those people,. all the world that were deceived by Satan so sealed with his mark; just prior to Christ return an the start of His Lords Day. it says it in Revelation chapter 20.
 
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Those people,. all the world that were deceived by Satan so sealed with his mark; just prior to Christ return an the start of His Lords Day. it says it in Revelation chapter 20.
So Jesus second coming will have wicked people on the earth then after the 1000 yr those people have to be tested so do they have a second chance ?
 
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The bible does not say satan is Appolyon

Was the angel of death in eygpt satan also ?
What do you think Satan, Abaddon and Apollyon
, perdition means ? They are all Satan's name. Because they all mean the same thing. They all make up the prime of each of Satan's names. A simple Strongs concordance will is a great thing in this case.
 
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Why are other Christians so obsessed with this escapism, ie rapture. The bible does not teach of a rapture....
 
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What do you think Satan, Abaddon and Apollyon
, perdition means ? They are all Satan's name. Because they all mean the same thing. They all make up the prime of each of Satan's names. A simple Strongs concordance will is a great thing in this case.
Is wormwood satan also ?
 
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So Jesus second coming will have wicked people on the earth then after the 1000 yr those people have to be tested so do they have a second chance ?
Not a second chance, its that they never had a pray of a chance to start with. What do you think God will just toss them in the lake of fire without a fair shot at knowing the whole truth taught by Christ the savior Himself for a thousand years?
Why are you asking me, its all recorded in Revelation 20.
 
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What do you think Satan, Abaddon and Apollyon
, perdition means ? They are all Satan's name. Because they all mean the same thing. They all make up the prime of each of Satan's names. A simple Strongs concordance will is a great thing in this case.
lets see is this satan also ?

[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
 
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Is wormwood satan also ?
He brings it. wormwood means bitterness. Because of whats flowing out of Satan's mouth. It made the waters bitter if I remember it . The angel says, water is symbolic of all the peoples of the word in Revelation 17. The people are made bitter.
 
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lets see is this satan also ?

[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
Well what dose the bible say ?


Hebrews 2:14

King James Version (KJV)

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;


Who is the devil ? That is Satan Revelation 12: 9
 
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Why are other Christians so obsessed with this escapism, ie rapture. The bible does not teach of a rapture....

It teaches we better have all the gospel armor on and in place to stand against the fiery darts of Satan. Ephesians 6:11-20 . If you have enough people repeating a lie long enough, people will being to question the truth, and adopt the lie as the truth.
 
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He brings it. wormwood means bitterness. Because of whats flowing out of Satan's mouth. It made the waters bitter if I remember it . The angel says, water is symbolic of all the peoples of the word in Revelation 17. The people are made bitter.
Jeremiah 23

[SUP]14 [/SUP]I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.
 
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To deceive even the elect I'f Possible.Revelation chapter 3 verse 10,Because thou hast kept the word of my( PATIENCE!)key word,I also will keep thee from the hour of (TEMPTATION)which shall come upon( ALL THE WORLD)and people living at that time,to try them that dwell upon the earth.Faithfulness to Christ will keep you from being deceived.
 
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Jeremiah 23

[SUP]14 [/SUP]I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.
God is sending Satan, and said it would happen, just as he said Israel would go into captivity to the Babylonian kind of old. God meant what He said then. And He means it when He warns us about Satan in his role as Antichrist. It's going to happen to the letter as its written.


They see visions of peace, and things from their own hearts saying the Lord said. But He never told them anything. That reminds me of Ezekiel 13:



13 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the Lord;

3 Thus saith the Lord God; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!

4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.

5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord.

6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The Lord saith: and the Lord hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.

7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The Lord saith it; albeit I have not spoken?

8 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord God.

9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord God.

10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace ( rapture ) ; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter: ( daubed it with more lies )

11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.

12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?

13 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it.

14 So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

15 Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it;

16 To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord God.

17 Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,

18 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?

19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread ( for money ? ) , to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?

20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against your pillows ( they conceal the truth with ), wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them " fly," and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
 
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Well what dose the bible say ?


Hebrews 2:14

King James Version (KJV)

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;


Who is the devil ? That is Satan Revelation 12: 9

Is this satan also
Job 28
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Whence then cometh wisdom? and where is the place of understanding?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Seeing it is hid from the eyes of all living, and kept close from the fowls of the air.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Destruction and death say, We have heard the fame thereof with our ears.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof.
 
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To deceive even the elect I'f Possible.Revelation chapter 3 verse 10,Because thou hast kept the word of my( PATIENCE!)key word,I also will keep thee from the hour of (TEMPTATION)which shall come upon( ALL THE WORLD)and people living at that time,to try them that dwell upon the earth.Faithfulness to Christ will keep you from being deceived.
The way we are kept, form being tempted, is by knowing the truth. While everyone else will see Satan as tempting in all his miricals the bible records he will do. Those that do know their God, will not find him tempting. But a abomination. Those are the people God will use during that time


Mark 13: 9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.


What hour ?
 
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God is sending Satan, and said it would happen, just as he said Israel would go into captivity to the Babylonian kind of old. God meant what He said then. And He means it when He warns us about Satan in his role as Antichrist. It's going to happen to the letter as its written.


They see visions of peace, and things from their own hearts saying the Lord said. But He never told them anything. That reminds me of Ezekiel 13:



13 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the Lord;

3 Thus saith the Lord God; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!

4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.

5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord.

6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The Lord saith: and the Lord hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.

7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The Lord saith it; albeit I have not spoken?

8 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord God.

9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord God.

10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace ( rapture ) ; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter: ( daubed it with more lies )

11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.

12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?

13 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it.

14 So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

15 Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it;

16 To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord God.

17 Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,

18 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?

19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread ( for money ? ) , to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?

20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against your pillows ( they conceal the truth with ), wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them " fly," and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Who sent the 7 last plagues ? who had the wrath of God in their hand satan or hmmmmmmm