Pre Trib Rapture Moment 11: What will trigger the rapture?
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So everything in the Bible is just allegory and metaphor to you?
It states without question in Rev 11, that the bodies of the 2 witnesses is the same city where the Lord was crucified. Moses is NOT one of the 2 witnesses, because Jerusalem is in the very real and literal promised land.
The mount of transfiguration was never named nor was it's location, but I can assure because God is not a man that would lie, It was not in the promised land.
The 2 witnesses are most likely Elijah and Enoch
It states without question in Rev 11, that the bodies of the 2 witnesses is the same city where the Lord was crucified. Moses is NOT one of the 2 witnesses, because Jerusalem is in the very real and literal promised land.
The mount of transfiguration was never named nor was it's location, but I can assure because God is not a man that would lie, It was not in the promised land.
The 2 witnesses are most likely Elijah and Enoch
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That was a example set forth to the people present at that time not to disobey God, weather your a prophet or not. . That dose not apply from what we see later with Christ on the mount of transfiguration,. They served God well in their life on earth. Why would be still be restricted in their life with God ? Its not written like that. They are free and as Revelation 11, Christ teaching there, they still have work to do for God.
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Its not written that he saw it. Its not written exactly how it was transmitted to Moses from God. So that is a hypothetical and day dreaming.
Why bother with that; when its not expressly written. You literally have to imagine those things when you say stuff like " there are scenes in movies that show, people seeing something of the past, but the video is not actually the person, and this is how it went down"".
But that is Not written.
Why bother with that; when its not expressly written. You literally have to imagine those things when you say stuff like " there are scenes in movies that show, people seeing something of the past, but the video is not actually the person, and this is how it went down"".
But that is Not written.
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God certainly gave inspiration to all writers what to write and showed them things, but there was also oral tradition of the Hebrews.
Second of all, the books of the Bible are not in chronological order, if they wee Job would be ahead of Genesis, because Job is the oldest book in the Bible. Job was before Moses. Really man read the chronology of Adam and others in the Bible and it will show some remarkable things. From Adam to the Flood was not that short of time in Fact Jude 14 tells you that ENoch was only the 7th generation of Adam. Inf act, It is quite possible that Job was still alive when Abraham was a little boy.
Second of all, the books of the Bible are not in chronological order, if they wee Job would be ahead of Genesis, because Job is the oldest book in the Bible. Job was before Moses. Really man read the chronology of Adam and others in the Bible and it will show some remarkable things. From Adam to the Flood was not that short of time in Fact Jude 14 tells you that ENoch was only the 7th generation of Adam. Inf act, It is quite possible that Job was still alive when Abraham was a little boy.
the secret thing belongeth unto to the Lord and are revealed unto Hos children . Not all is written hmmm
revelation 10
1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
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If people really had a conception of time, and their place in relation to all history . 2,ooo years is not a long time Its like 2 days ago. God's words still sounds loud and clear as the first day it was spoken. We can still hear them crying out warning about the falsechrist Satan. Warning us about the deception in this wilderness.To Turn to Christ and repent.
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It could have been orally transmitted; Which i doubt. Or like Moses. Noah would have had writings from his great great grandfather
( correct me on how many greats ) Enoch , and took his writings aboard the Ark. I can't resort to hmmmmm. That wont cut it. There is a few verses from the Book of Enoch found in the dead sea scrolls. After that, we had always had a copy. There is the Ethiopian copy of Enoch. The same verses in the Dead sea scrolls, are also found in the Ethiopian copy also.
Jude quoted the first few verses of Enoch, the Book/letter.
( correct me on how many greats ) Enoch , and took his writings aboard the Ark. I can't resort to hmmmmm. That wont cut it. There is a few verses from the Book of Enoch found in the dead sea scrolls. After that, we had always had a copy. There is the Ethiopian copy of Enoch. The same verses in the Dead sea scrolls, are also found in the Ethiopian copy also.
Jude quoted the first few verses of Enoch, the Book/letter.
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I'm still studying when that happens and about it. It should be sometime just before Christ return or just after. There is also that event were Satan is loosed for a short time during the Lords Day in Revelation 11, and fire rains down from heaven from God, and devours them. But I think that is different from the destruction your talking about.
Isaiah 40
King James Version (KJV)
40 Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
Malachi 4
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Matthew 3
King James Version (KJV)
3 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Matthew 17
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
Hmm ironically though before does not immediately have to be exactly before but if i came to like now and ten years from now someone else comes to you with the same message hmmm you would say or tell that someone "someone came to me before you "
King James Version (KJV)
40 Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
Malachi 4
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Matthew 3
King James Version (KJV)
3 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Matthew 17
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
Hmm ironically though before does not immediately have to be exactly before but if i came to like now and ten years from now someone else comes to you with the same message hmmm you would say or tell that someone "someone came to me before you "
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