Pre Trib Rapture Moment 11: What will trigger the rapture?
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The Pre-trib. Rapture is Bible Doctrine.
There will indeed be a pre-trib. Rapture of the Body of Christ.
Husky394xp is not a liar.
Husky394xp is a King James Bible believing preacher. He preaches God's holy word with conviction and many (including myself) have been blessed by his ministry.
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If you don't have a King James Bible, I suggest you get one and read and study it.
We are not told to look for the antichrist, we are not told to look for the time of Jacob's trouble, nor are we told to look for the New World Order.
We are exhorted in the Scriptures to look for the Lord Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13) and we are exhorted to love His appearing (2 Timoth 4:8).
We are not told to look for the antichrist, we are not told to look for the time of Jacob's trouble, nor are we told to look for the New World Order.
We are exhorted in the Scriptures to look for the Lord Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13) and we are exhorted to love His appearing (2 Timoth 4:8).
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how can you state that!....I know of many who have studied The Bible for many a year, some for over 40 years and some have studied in depth all the 3 beliefs of Christs return and they lean toward a pre-trib rapture....concluding one is a liar because one has not studied is a giving a false witness against a fellow brother in Christ.
The Day of the Lord lasts 1,000 years, 2 Pet 3:8. The Day of the Lord is also referred to as "The Last Day" at least 5 times in John (3X in John 6). It is the day the Lord returns, resurrects the dead, destroys his enemies, reigns and judges. The Day of the Lord is the Millennium.
Whether or not the "retainer" is the HS or Michael the Archangel does not prove a Pre-trib Rapture. I can't wait for the Lord to return either but I am not going to go with any angel until after the A/C appears. You'd be wise to do the same.
Whether or not the "retainer" is the HS or Michael the Archangel does not prove a Pre-trib Rapture. I can't wait for the Lord to return either but I am not going to go with any angel until after the A/C appears. You'd be wise to do the same.
2 Thes 2:
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore , brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore , brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
I wouldn't go as far as calling them liars. But they have been deceived and they likely have been sent the strong delusion Peter wrote about. It does bother me that so many of our "Religious Leaders" have bought into the lie. They are not only "pregnant with it, they are also nursing it." They are literally leading their sheep to the slaughter.
God tells us in Ezek 13 how he feels about false prophets. I would not want to be in their shoes when they have to answer for this because the Bible is so very clear about when Jesus returns and warns us explicitly not to be deceived about any other teaching.
God tells us in Ezek 13 how he feels about false prophets. I would not want to be in their shoes when they have to answer for this because the Bible is so very clear about when Jesus returns and warns us explicitly not to be deceived about any other teaching.
Yes. Really.
Christians are not told to look for the antichrist, or the new world order, or the time of Jacob's trouble.
We (Christians) are exhorted in the Scriptures to look for Jesus Christ:
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. - 2 Timothy 4:8 (King James Bible)
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. - Titus 2:13-15 (King James Bible)
Mat 24:
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
And Matthew 24:15 is Doctrinally pointed at the Jews in the time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th week).
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matthew 24:3-51 (King James Bible)
That whole passage is doctrinally pointed at the time of Jacob's trouble. And the body of Christ will not be here for the time of Jacob's trouble.
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. - Revelation 17:5-18 (King James Bible)
Unfortunately the term "Day of the Lord" is never used in John's gospel. But I would agree that the Day of the Lord has all these events, but I would actually add the 7 year tribulation to this as well. It's a Day of Judgment and Blessing.
I can't help but think that God's up in heaven shaking His head wondering why so many read one day is like a 1000 years without reading the rest of the sentence, 1000 years is like one day. So many prediction theories only take the 1st part of this verse without also applying the 2nd part. So Jesus has only been waiting 2 days to return. I'm not saying anyone here is making a prediction, just lamenting the fact that so many misinformed Christians have, including many pre-tribbers, probably an inordinate amount.
I can't help but think that God's up in heaven shaking His head wondering why so many read one day is like a 1000 years without reading the rest of the sentence, 1000 years is like one day. So many prediction theories only take the 1st part of this verse without also applying the 2nd part. So Jesus has only been waiting 2 days to return. I'm not saying anyone here is making a prediction, just lamenting the fact that so many misinformed Christians have, including many pre-tribbers, probably an inordinate amount.
Ive read the bible, this a false doctrine that is easily refuted, if you arent too brained washed, which happens very easily because people put too much of their emotions into what they want the bible to say to fit their outlook on life, instead of just reading Gods word and believing it whether they like it or not. Its the same with other false doctrines, like saying, sodomy isn't wrong, Jesus never talked about homosexuality; just to fit it in their lifestyle. That is totally incorrect. The truth is, we really don't want to go through these rough times, the persecution of the saints (satans wrath), which will be intense, but shortened for OUR sake (If they weren't shortened by God, satan wouldn't stop until we were all dead), but we will go through tribulation, all the way up to Gods wrath, when our new bodies are raised from the grave to meet our souls in the clouds, as we come back with Jesus. Yes, our new bodies come from the ground (just like our flesh did, just like Jesus did), and they join our souls. This is all in the bible, read it, the whole book. The pretrib rapture smells like swiss cheese, its full of holes. Its mental acrobatics. The bible is straight forward with its doctrine, babes in christ believe this doctrine. Ive talked to MANY new christians that strictly believe this doctrine, which was invented in 1830. They do not want to hear the truth. I can easily tell they are new because they fire back with rookie statements like, 'God would never appoint us to wrath', the rapture is in Rev 4, the rest of rev is Gods wrath, or, the seconding coming and rapture are 2 different events, its funny because, they think the tribulation and wrath are the same events, but they are separate, yet they dont see that the saints coming with jesus and the glorified bodies being raised from the grave are the same event, they split those two up; or ask newbie questions like, 'who will populate the millennium?' Dead give aways that the person was only showed tidbits of scripture and built a false doctrine upon them, and did not read it in full, in context on their own, learning the truth in its entirety. Arguing is pointless. I joined here to see what the word on was the forums, and its the same in the false churches and seminaries. I will rebuke false doctrine til the end: 2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. Im saying the same to you as I would say to any other believer, Youre wrong about the pretrib lie, where to find the information has already been posted, if you read it and do not believe it, oh well. People didnt believe Jesus when he preached certain things. People stopped following Jesus because they didnt like what he said. People killed him for what he said. Talk about freedom of speech. Proverbs 13:1 A wise son heareth his father's instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke. Proverbs 24:25 But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, and a good blessing shall come upon them. (if you are already wise) Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.
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