Predestination is misunderstood...
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oh I see you both put people on ignore, and then insult them for the rest of there days.
You must be both double minded.
You both ignore the word of God to and follow the sound of your own voice to
Yes you are like the people of the false religion in Jeremiah 7
And no doubt you have both saved yourself's to
And you both supports cruelty dishonesty and lies, that makes you both detestable to the lord
You must be both double minded.
You both ignore the word of God to and follow the sound of your own voice to
Yes you are like the people of the false religion in Jeremiah 7
And no doubt you have both saved yourself's to
And you both supports cruelty dishonesty and lies, that makes you both detestable to the lord
I suppose none of this is true too
God must of heard there prayers, for him to say I will no longer hear your prayers.
Theese are all people who either have faith or practice faith, who all deny works, it's when there faith become Dead, because God will not hear there prayers.
: You ignore the poor.
Proverbs 21:13 says, “One who shuts his ear to the outcry of the poor will also call out himself, and not be answered.” In no uncertain terms, God takes our care of the poor very seriously. Are you knowingly and pompously ignoring the cries of the needy? Your prayer life could suffer.
2: You doubt that God can give you wisdom.
James 1:5-7 is one of the only passages in the New Testament that actually does say that faith can get you what you want, as long as wisdom is what you want. James writes,
“But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind. For that person ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord,”
When asking God for wisdom, doubt can get in the way of you receiving an answer.
3: You’re being prideful.
James 4:6 shows the opposition of God when the proud refuse to be humble saying, “But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
Pride is the antithesis of a thriving prayer life.
4: You are unjustly violent.
Isaiah 1:15 records the word of the Lord regarding unjust violence saying, “So when you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you; Yes, even though you offer many prayers, I will not be listening. Your hands are covered with blood.”
That is the God of the Bible, purposely ignoring prayers.
5: You’re insensitive to your wife.
1 Peter 3:7 is one of the most frightening passages for husbands as it speaks of the consequences of dishonoring your wife saying, “You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered.”
When a husband is not showing honor to his wife, his prayers are bouncing right back down off the ceiling.
6: You have selfish motives.
James 4:3 says, “You ask and do not receive, because you ask with the wrong motives, so that you may spend what you request on your pleasures.”
The wrong motives can impact your prayer life in such a way that God doesn’t give you what you’re asking for, no matter how much you beg.
7: You love your sin so much.
Psalm 66:18 says, “If I regard wickedness in my heart, The Lord will not hear…”
The Psalmist knew that God does not tolerate wickedness as His roommate in the human heart.
8: You mistreat God’s people.
Micah 3:2-5 is a passage containing vivid imagery of what God thinks of those who mistreat His people, including false prophets and leaders. When you mess with God’s precious saints, He does not hear you even when you cry out. The prophet Micah warned:
“You who hate good and love evil,
Who tear off their skin from them
And their flesh from their bones,
Who eat the flesh of my people,
Strip off their skin from them,
Smash their bones,
And chop them up as for the pot,
And as meat in a cauldron!”
Then they will cry out to the Lord,
But He will not answer them.
Instead, He will hide His face from them at that time
Because they have practiced evil deeds.”
— Micah 3:2-5
God must of heard there prayers, for him to say I will no longer hear your prayers.
Theese are all people who either have faith or practice faith, who all deny works, it's when there faith become Dead, because God will not hear there prayers.
: You ignore the poor.
Proverbs 21:13 says, “One who shuts his ear to the outcry of the poor will also call out himself, and not be answered.” In no uncertain terms, God takes our care of the poor very seriously. Are you knowingly and pompously ignoring the cries of the needy? Your prayer life could suffer.
2: You doubt that God can give you wisdom.
James 1:5-7 is one of the only passages in the New Testament that actually does say that faith can get you what you want, as long as wisdom is what you want. James writes,
“But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind. For that person ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord,”
When asking God for wisdom, doubt can get in the way of you receiving an answer.
3: You’re being prideful.
James 4:6 shows the opposition of God when the proud refuse to be humble saying, “But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
Pride is the antithesis of a thriving prayer life.
4: You are unjustly violent.
Isaiah 1:15 records the word of the Lord regarding unjust violence saying, “So when you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you; Yes, even though you offer many prayers, I will not be listening. Your hands are covered with blood.”
That is the God of the Bible, purposely ignoring prayers.
5: You’re insensitive to your wife.
1 Peter 3:7 is one of the most frightening passages for husbands as it speaks of the consequences of dishonoring your wife saying, “You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered.”
When a husband is not showing honor to his wife, his prayers are bouncing right back down off the ceiling.
6: You have selfish motives.
James 4:3 says, “You ask and do not receive, because you ask with the wrong motives, so that you may spend what you request on your pleasures.”
The wrong motives can impact your prayer life in such a way that God doesn’t give you what you’re asking for, no matter how much you beg.
7: You love your sin so much.
Psalm 66:18 says, “If I regard wickedness in my heart, The Lord will not hear…”
The Psalmist knew that God does not tolerate wickedness as His roommate in the human heart.
8: You mistreat God’s people.
Micah 3:2-5 is a passage containing vivid imagery of what God thinks of those who mistreat His people, including false prophets and leaders. When you mess with God’s precious saints, He does not hear you even when you cry out. The prophet Micah warned:
“You who hate good and love evil,
Who tear off their skin from them
And their flesh from their bones,
Who eat the flesh of my people,
Strip off their skin from them,
Smash their bones,
And chop them up as for the pot,
And as meat in a cauldron!”
Then they will cry out to the Lord,
But He will not answer them.
Instead, He will hide His face from them at that time
Because they have practiced evil deeds.”
— Micah 3:2-5
Thankyou 😊 for the correction.
All tho after witnessing your behaviour, I know you like to correct people, to force a prideful response, and it's always you're same knee jerk reaction, each and every time you do this , you do it to have there understanding of scripture that is not in line with your rejected.
Which is a ridiculous way to behave.
I know your tactics 😊
All tho after witnessing your behaviour, I know you like to correct people, to force a prideful response, and it's always you're same knee jerk reaction, each and every time you do this , you do it to have there understanding of scripture that is not in line with your rejected.
Which is a ridiculous way to behave.
I know your tactics 😊
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It's ridiculous brother that people have started a thread about a person, can not be chosen to be saved, but yet the same people will not accept you can be chosen and rejected,
Don't you think this is just a bit silly.
I mean should we not discuss predestinated, and God's will as God understands it's, through God's character, and where he has disciplined, and have given warnings to.
I'm not sure we could believe the views of people, who reject the basic simplest most important teachings there is, concerning being baptised.
Who are now preaching how free will and pre destination works, and at the same time people are giving them appraisals and approving there insults, and mockery of people.
Don't you think this is just a bit silly.
I mean should we not discuss predestinated, and God's will as God understands it's, through God's character, and where he has disciplined, and have given warnings to.
I'm not sure we could believe the views of people, who reject the basic simplest most important teachings there is, concerning being baptised.
Who are now preaching how free will and pre destination works, and at the same time people are giving them appraisals and approving there insults, and mockery of people.
Well stated, brother, well stated! Using a Shakesperian analogy might help us to better understand the relationship between God's sovereignty and our free moral agency. The Bard famously said once:
All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts...
The full quote is much longer, of course. Not only is what Shakespeare explicitly stated important, but what he also implied is equally important. If all the people of this world are merely "actors" on the world stage -- all dutifully playing our parts -- then who is directing this play? Who is producing this play? Who wrote the script?
Moreover, since we all play our parts, don't we play them willingly? Does anyone from without force us to play our parts?
Even though the Bard was not a particularly religious person, let alone a Christian, he had a decent grasp on reality. It appears he had a sense that someone greater than us "actors" was calling the shots on the world stage. The quote implies a sovereign "script writer" working with a willing cast. Now just how does the human will and divine will work when they intersect -- well, that we'll never understand. That's above our finite pay grade.
All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts...
The full quote is much longer, of course. Not only is what Shakespeare explicitly stated important, but what he also implied is equally important. If all the people of this world are merely "actors" on the world stage -- all dutifully playing our parts -- then who is directing this play? Who is producing this play? Who wrote the script?
Moreover, since we all play our parts, don't we play them willingly? Does anyone from without force us to play our parts?
Even though the Bard was not a particularly religious person, let alone a Christian, he had a decent grasp on reality. It appears he had a sense that someone greater than us "actors" was calling the shots on the world stage. The quote implies a sovereign "script writer" working with a willing cast. Now just how does the human will and divine will work when they intersect -- well, that we'll never understand. That's above our finite pay grade.
Presentation of predestination, is the only thing that your responding to, and logical fallacy.
Associating why pre destination is wrong based on the doctrines of individuals, is neither wise, and neither makes it correct.
Because the same people are preaching false doctrines about being baptised.
And then adding how predestination and free will should be viewed.
There is only one free will which is Correct,.and that is God's good will, to give you the stamp of approval called salvation.
He chose to give you wisdom and faith freely, then and only then do you receive salvation, after you have believed and been baptised,
Believed and loved.
Faith comes first then salvation.
It's not salvation first then faith.
This is God's good will (grace).
It is not a deserving unmerited favour.
It is being saved by God's Good will.
Associating why pre destination is wrong based on the doctrines of individuals, is neither wise, and neither makes it correct.
Because the same people are preaching false doctrines about being baptised.
And then adding how predestination and free will should be viewed.
There is only one free will which is Correct,.and that is God's good will, to give you the stamp of approval called salvation.
He chose to give you wisdom and faith freely, then and only then do you receive salvation, after you have believed and been baptised,
Believed and loved.
Faith comes first then salvation.
It's not salvation first then faith.
This is God's good will (grace).
It is not a deserving unmerited favour.
It is being saved by God's Good will.