question: Can an unsaved person be baptized in the Holy Spirit?

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An unsaved person must be baptized in the spirit to become saved.

if they have not been baptized in the spirit. they are still unsaved.
Thank you for a polite and reasoned response. One that I can understand and also agree with. It is so good when brothers/sister live together in harmony
 
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your furious because your crazy I haven't watched this video youve posted yet.

But your to caught up in your own rage to have even noticed what I was refering to.

It's called trying to find fault in others rather than examine your own.

You must think because I'm in soft I must be cissy.

Or because I don't believe as you I must be an atheist

Well no I don't have to prove anything to your ego.

But I do know one thing I have met your attitude befor close up and personal, and people like you don't intimate me,
Or scare me. My father was brave man. And you'll be surprised just how hard kind gentle men can be.

For me your the person who hides behind the word to justify your own actions.

And cowards like you my father would laugh in there face even so called real hard knocks like you

You know nothing of hard men.
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YOU think SCIENCE is more credible than the Bible.
nothing is more INSANE than that!
That is straight jacket mentality.
 
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Good video that speaks for itself - no need to add anything to it!
It's Mormon, Latter Day Aints.
It's not an actual Follower of God, it's someone with his magic underwear on and the woman's and other children who probably had their magic mormon underwear on but it did not work and they died.
 
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the emblem top left of the video:

goes to this website.

Fundi, is getting this material off the Mormon Sitel


Church of Jesus Christ

Are Mormons same as Latter Day?
They are the Mormons who did not go west and settle in Utah, and they are quite different theologically.” So, logically, all followers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are technically Mormons. But not all Mormons are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
 

Bob-Carabbio

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Can unsaved person be baptized in the Holy Spirit?
John 20:22 is the record of the Holy Spirit IN Christians, while Acts 2:4 is the record of the Holy Spirit ON Christians (the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" so called).

Jesus told the disciples that: you know the Holy Spirit, because He's been WITH you, but He shall be IN YOU (which is what makes a person a "Born Again Christian").

In the OLD TESTAMENT, selected people, who were NOT "Born Again" (since nobody was back then) had the Holy Spirit ON them. Elijah, Elisha, Abraham, Samson, etc. did what they did because the Holy Spirit was ON them, but not IN them.
 

Fundaamental

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the emblem top left of the video:

goes to this website.

Fundi, is getting this material off the Mormon Sitel


Church of Jesus Christ

Are Mormons same as Latter Day?
They are the Mormons who did not go west and settle in Utah, and they are quite different theologically.” So, logically, all followers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are technically Mormons. But not all Mormons are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
coward
 

Fundaamental

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It's Mormon, Latter Day Aints.
It's not an actual Follower of God, it's someone with his magic underwear on and the woman's and other children who probably had their magic mormon underwear on but it did not work and they died.
coward
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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Good catch that Cornelious was aware. Would have been more accurate to say he was aware but excluded from pursuing salvation because he was not Jewish. Good catch!
I am not sure what you mean when you say that he was excluded from pursuing salvation because he was not Jewish. Excluded by who? God or man? Certainly not by God because many, many Gentiles had long before been saved through faith in Christ.
I agree with your statements on God correcting Peter and the Jew's theology only I don't think you go far enough. If Jesus had not stepped in and immersed them in the Holy Spirit, with the hindsight given by Gal:2:11-21, I think Peter would definite not have baptized them.
I agree with you, but I did not go further simply because I am trying to maintain a dialogue with you, and not seeking to write a book. To that point, I am sincerely enjoying our civil dialogue on this matter, so thank you for your participation in it.
I agree that Cornelius et. al. believed/were saved/given knowledge of salvation in Christ and faith as they heard Peter's message. But I do not see in verses 46-48 (or any other scripture) where God/Jesus ordered Cornelius et. al. to be water baptized. Peter did. It may have been prudent on Peter's part to do so, knowing that the community of Jewish believers would react negatively to Peter's preaching the gospel to gentiles, let alone water baptizing them. But Jesus had already cleansed them when He baptized (immersed) them in the Holy Spirit - from that perspective there was no need for a second cleansing by water (Jesus baptizing in the Holy Spirit trumps Water Baptism. John the Baptist essentially states that in Luke 3:15-18; Mark 1:7-8; Matthew 3: 11-15; John 1:26-35.) I honestly believe that Peter ordered water baptism to mollify the Jewish converts and because it was what he was used to doing.
I would have to strongly disagree with you where water baptism is concerned.

Hebrews 6:1-2

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."

The principles of the doctrine of Christ include the doctrine of baptisms, plural, and I believe, with precedence from both the Old Testament and the New Testament, that these baptisms include both water baptism and Holy Ghost baptism. In other words, it is not a matter of either/or.

In his first epistle, Peter said:

1 Peter 3:18-22

"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him."

Peter said that water baptism is the answer of a good conscience towards God, and it is directly related to the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is gone into heaven, and is one the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject to him. I could write a very long dissertation on this topic, but, for now, I will simply say the following. During his incarnation, the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us. Prior to that, the Word, or Jesus, was only God. In and after his incarnation, Jesus became both God and man, and this is very important. During his incarnation, Jesus was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death. After his crucifixion, burial, and resurrection from the dead, Jesus ascended back to the Father's right hand in heaven as one who is both God and man. The man part is very important because he was made heir of all things in his humanity, and that is how we, as humans ourselves, can be made to be joint-heirs with Christ. If we have this understanding, or if we understand that angels, and authorities, and powers were made subject unto Christ in his ascension back to the Father's right hand as a man, then the answer of a good conscience is to be water baptized because this signifies our own burial, resurrection, and ascension to be seated in heavenly places in Christ. On the other hand, a refusal to be water baptized with this understanding is the answer of a bad conscience towards God.
As to Galatians 2:11-21, where Paul rebukes Peter. The rebuke seems to be for more than just incorrectly making a distinction between Jews and Gentiles. Verse 11 states that Peter stood condemned. Verse 12 states that Peter was afraid of those who belong to the circumcision group. Verse 13 charges Peter (along with the other Jews and Barnabas) with hypocrisy. And verse 14 indicates that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel. Seems that Peter was still not clear about the meaning of the vision given him in Acts 10: 11-16.
I have long agreed with what you said here. Again, I just wanted to show in my initial response that Peter had a problem in this area. In other words, I was not seeking to write some sort of exhaustive essay on the matter.
 
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Yes

But if your not BAPTIZED into that death and ressurection

Your still lost.
I know I already advised exactly of the steps taken once I was saved.

I'm just not interested in your 20 questions routine :rolleyes:
 
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now your almost laughable

I am saved by Christ and Christ alone

Not because I was baptised into water by some man

but because I was baptized into christ By God

You have a serious comprehension problem.
Mockery is certainly one of your endowments. There is nothing funny in what you post and I have been serious throughout

smh
 
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John 20:22 is the record of the Holy Spirit IN Christians, while Acts 2:4 is the record of the Holy Spirit ON Christians (the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" so called).

Jesus told the disciples that: you know the Holy Spirit, because He's been WITH you, but He shall be IN YOU (which is what makes a person a "Born Again Christian").

In the OLD TESTAMENT, selected people, who were NOT "Born Again" (since nobody was back then) had the Holy Spirit ON them. Elijah, Elisha, Abraham, Samson, etc. did what they did because the Holy Spirit was ON them, but not IN them.
Thank you for responding. I was contemplating John 20:21-23 this morning so your response was timely from my perspective. Do you have any insight into where the "record of Holy Spirit in Christians" is recorded in Matthew, Mark, and Luke/Acts?

Also did Thomas miss out then on receiving the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit because he was absent, verse 24 (during Jesus next encounter with the disciples, verses 26-29, Thomas was present but the Scripture does not indicate that Jesus breathed on him)?
 

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I know I already advised exactly of the steps taken once I was saved.

I'm just not interested in your 20 questions routine :rolleyes:
No

You just want to condemn me as a false teacher and not understand a thing I have said.

You know. if you know. then why condemn me as a false teacher SMH!!
 

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Mockery is certainly one of your endowments. There is nothing funny in what you post and I have been serious throughout

smh
You have been serious??

You attack me falsly.

Thats pride my friend. thats pride..
 
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I have another question on your statement regarding OT believers/not born again. In His conversation with Nicodemas Jesus begin by stating no one can see the Kingdom of God unless they are born again. In John 8:56 Jesus states, "Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day, he saw it and was glad." So was Abraham "born again"? Or is "seeing my day" not the same as "seeing the Kingdom of God"?
 

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I have another question on your statement regarding OT believers/not born again. In His conversation with Nicodemas Jesus begin by stating no one can see the Kingdom of God unless they are born again. In John 8:56 Jesus states, "Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day, he saw it and was glad." So was Abraham "born again"? Or is "seeing my day" not the same as "seeing the Kingdom of God"?
Abraham is called an ot saint or a righteous dead who rested in a place of comfort for the dead called Abraham's bussom. because

They would have seen the lord after his resurrection, where Jesus went to set them free. Whilst all ot saints where righteous none where born again until after the resurrection of Christ, all tho whilst many where alive in the ot they where temporarily filled by the holy spirit and moved by the holy spirit as they spoke
 

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Abraham is called an ot saint or a righteous dead who rested in a place of comfort for the dead called Abraham's bussom. because

They would have seen the lord after his resurrection, where Jesus went to set them free. Whilst all ot saints where righteous none where born again until after the resurrection of Christ, all tho whilst many where alive in the ot they where temporarily filled by the holy spirit and moved by the holy spirit as they spoke
How do you reconcile this with Romans 8:9 or John 3 where Jesus is surprised that a ruler in Israel would not understand being born again?